EU’s unwinnable price war with Chinese EVs summed up: BYD cars are 11-fold more profitable in Europe vs. China

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EU’s unwinnable price war with Chinese EVs summed up: BYD cars are 11-fold more profitable in Europe vs. China​

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Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 6:48 AM EDT4 min read

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As a fleet of vessels ship ultra-cheap electric vehicles like BYD into Europe from China, helpless European carmakers have watched on begging for regulators to save them from a price war they can’t possibly win.

The EU is expected to slap tariffs on Chinese automakers following a probe into anti-competitive practices after carmakers were left in a “state of shock” by BYD’s affordable cars.

Research from Rhodium Group has put a number on the size of the size of tariff required to put a halt to China’s EV advance into Europe. Unfortunately for native carmakers, that figure is much higher than what is expected to be implemented by the EU.

In January, the European Commission said it planned to visit top Chinese carmakers, including BYD and Geely, as part of a probe into China’s alleged anti-competitive practices linked to state-backed subsidies provided to the manufacturers.

It followed comments made by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen last September where she accused China and its carmakers of market distortion, which led to an official probe being launched in October.

Europe’s impossible price war

Chinese EVs have enjoyed a number of advantages over Western automakers. BYD, for example, has control over its entire supply chain, with its battery supply being a huge advantage.

It has helped them eke out market share in Europe at a frantic pace. EU imports of Chinese EVs jumped from $1.6 billion in 2020 to $11.5 billion in 2023, Rhodium writes. Chinese EVs are expected to account for a quarter of all EVs sold on the continent this year, campaign group Transport & Environment found.

Rhodium Group put into numbers the extent of the challenge facing native automakers, using BYD’s affordable Seal U car as an illustrative example.

The car sells for €20,500 ($21,950) in China and €42,000 ($45,000) in the EU.

Chinese automakers are moving to extract higher profits in Europe as a price war back home pushes their margins to the floor. This pricing mechanism means the Seal U makes BYD a €14,300 ($15,300) profit in the EU, but just a €1,300 ($1,400) profit in China.

It’s no surprise then, that tariffs are viewed as the answer to halting cheap Chinese EVs from flooding the EU market.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who is going toe-to-toe with BYD on a price war in China, cited first-hand experience when detailing what would be needed to stop the automakers from taking over Western markets.

“Our observation is generally that Chinese car companies are the most competitive car companies in the world,” Musk said on Tesla’s earnings call in January.

“If there are no trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world,” he continued.

Eye-watering tariffs

However, the size of tariff required will likely make regulators wince while falling well short of what is being considered by the European Commission.

Rhodium expects the EU to implement a 15-30% tariff on Chinese EVs following its probe. But even at the higher range, the group says, this isn’t likely to deter automakers from shipping to the EU or bring price parity with local competitors.

That’s because Chinese automakers’ profits in the EU are so vast that only an eye-popping tariff would be enough to put carmakers like BYD off the prospect of selling EVs in the country.

“According to our calculations, a 30% duty would still leave the company with a 15% (€4,700) EU premium in relation to its China profits, meaning that exports to Europe would remain highly attractive,” the group wrote.

“Duties in the 40-50% range — arguably even higher for vertically integrated manufacturers like BYD — would probably be necessary to make the European market unattractive for Chinese EV exporters.”

Such a number is effectively unworkable for now, thanks to WTO rules the EU currently trades on with China.

Instead, Rhodium says the EU may turn to “non-traditional tools” to protect native carmakers, such as restrictions based on environmental or national security factors.

This story was originally featured on Fortune.com
 

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My aunt just copped a BYD dolphin, she loves that shyt :mjlol:

BYD will be popular in the Caribbean and EU that’s a given… Them shyts will never be sold in the U.S. tho
 

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China will export for cheap and good quality EV's and humanoid robots all around the world. And there really isn't thing that can feasibly be done to stop them.
 

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China will export for cheap and good quality EV's and humanoid robots all around the world. And there really isn't thing that can feasibly be done to stop them.

theres no political will to subsidize the supply chain here to make us more competitive until subsidizes are no longer necessary. it's just straight up greed.
 

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China will export for cheap and good quality EV's and humanoid robots all around the world. And there really isn't thing that can feasibly be done to stop them.
Yea I don’t know what can be done unless one of these companies pull something out they ass to make better ev’s

It’s inevitable China is going to be running that industry
 

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Let be real, as somone that works in a union environment wages are super high for the work that's being done. If I'm any of these car companies I'm building a plant in Mexico and call it a day.
 

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The CEO of Ford says he's been driving a Xiaomi EV for the past 6 months and doesn't want to give it up​

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A composite image of Jim Farley and a Xiaomi SU7 in a showroom.


Ford CEO Jim Farley said in a podcast interview that he'd been driving the Xiaomi SU7, an electric vehicle made by the Chinese electronics company, for the past six months. Spencer Platt via Getty Images; Costfoto/NurPhoto via Getty Images


  • Ford CEO Jim Farley says he's been driving the Chinese tech giant Xiaomi's EV for the past six months.

  • Farley described Xiaomi as an "industry juggernaut."

  • Farley previously told a board member that China's auto industry was an "existential threat."

Ford CEO Jim Farley says he doesn't want to give up the Xiaomi Speed Ultra 7 he's been driving for the past half year.

"I don't like talking about the competition so much, but I drive the Xiaomi," Farley said while speaking to the British presenter Robert Llewellyn on "The Fully Charged Podcast." The podcast, which Llewellyn hosts, aired on Monday.

"We flew one from Shanghai to Chicago, and I've been driving it for six months now, and I don't want to give it up," Farley continued.

The SU7 is Xiaomi's maiden electric vehicle. The Chinese tech giant produces three versions of the car: SU7, SU7 Pro, and SU7 Max. Farley didn't specify which version he was driving.

"It's fantastic. They sell 10,000, 20,000 a month. They're sold out for six months," Farley said of Xiaomi's success with the SU7 earlier in the interview.

"You know, that is an industry juggernaut and a consumer brand that is much stronger than car companies," he added.

Representatives for Farley at Ford didn't respond to a request for comment from Business Insider sent outside regular business hours.

The popularity of the SU7 has come at a cost for Xiaomi. When Xiaomi reported its second-quarter earnings on August 21, its EV branch posted an adjusted loss of $252 million.

That means Xiaomi lost about $9,200 for each of the 27,307 SU7s it shipped that quarter. The SU7 is sold at a base price of 215,900 yuan, or about $30,000, and is available only in China.

A spokesperson for Xiaomi told BI's Matthew Loh in August that the company was looking to lower its production costs by increasing the scale of its EV arm.

"In addition, Xiaomi's first EV is a pure electric sedan, and its investment cost is relatively high, so it will take some time to digest this part of the cost," the spokesperson told Loh.


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An 'existential threat'​


These aren't the first comments Farley or his fellow Ford executives have made about the scale or progress of China's EV industry.

After visiting China in May, Farley told a Ford board member that China's auto industry was an "existential threat," The Wall Street Journal reported in September.

In early 2023, Farley and his chief financial officer, John Lawler, were in China when they tested out an electric SUV made by the state-owned automaker Changan Automobile, the Journal reported.

The report said the pair was impressed by the quality of the Chinese-made EVs.

"Jim, this is nothing like before," Lawler told Farley, according to the Journal. "These guys are ahead of us."

Farley's comments have come as Chinese automakers continue to dominate the global EV market. Data compiled by the technology firm ABI Research for Business Insider shows Chinese automakers accounted for 88% of the EV market in Brazil and 70% in Thailand in the first quarter of this year.

Competing with rivals such as Xiaomi will be critical for Ford as it formulates its approach to the EV market.

Ford posted a big earnings miss in the second quarter of the year, sending the company's stock tumbling. The company's earnings per share came in at $0.47, below analyst estimates of $0.68. Its profitability for the quarter was weighed down by its EV segment, which saw a $1.14 billion loss amid slowing demand. Ford's third-quarter earnings are due on October 28.

In August, Lawler told reporters that Ford was changing its EV strategy and would replace its planned electric SUVs with hybrid models instead. The move is set to cost Ford nearly $2 billion.

Ford shares are down nearly 9% year to date.
 

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It’s sad that our government decided to goto war with China so we can’t get any of these electric vehicles in the US.

There is no incentive for companies in America to make EVs and if they do, they charge crazy high.
 

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It’s sad that our government decided to goto war with China so we can’t get any of these electric vehicles in the US.

There is no incentive for companies in America to make EVs and if they do, they charge crazy high.
Not only is there no incentive, the workers working at the factories don't reward politicians for pushing towards them.
 
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