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In addition to being larger than the stock market, the Forex market also trades 24/5 and has better tax advantages compared to stocks.

Share trades, leverage size, ideas about future price movements, books you are reading, metrics you are following, etc.
 

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In addition to being larger than the stock market, the Forex market also trades 24/5 and has better tax advantages compared to stocks.

Share trades, leverage size, ideas about future price movements, books you are reading, metrics you are following, etc.

Gotta a link, breh. 1st time I've heard of this and I have no idea how to even enter that market.
 

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Gotta a link, breh. 1st time I've heard of this and I have no idea how to even enter that market.
It's a little overwhelming if you're new. Currency Trading is betting that the value of one currency (ie US Dollars) will increase/decrease compared to another currency (ie Euros). There is more risk to it than the stock market for sure, so I don't recommend it if you are the type of person that is trying to make a quick buck.

I'm relatively new to it, but the idea I got is that it was more popular in the US, but it lost a lot of its appeal around 7-8 years ago after Dodd-Franks Act where government stepped in with more regulation to protect consumers. It is still easy to lose all your $ if you don't know what you are doing, but it's even worse outside of the US... for example some brokers give you leverage of 1000:1 which is ridiculously high.

Another reason it doesn't get a lot of attention in the US is the lack of brokers after the Dodd-Franks act. Right now, I think there are like 7 companies in the entire US that are licensed Forex Brokers. In terms of stock brokers, according to Quora, there were close to 4,000 back in 2018. The regulation on Forex is more stringent than the stock market:
Under Dodd-Frank rules, enforced by the CFTC, firms offering retail forex trading in the United States must maintain minimum capital of at least $20 million, plus 5 percent of the amount by which liabilities to retail forex customers exceed $10 million.

By comparison, the minimum capital requirement in Cyprus, where many FX brokers have moved, range from 40,000 euros ($42,680) to one million euros ($1.067 million). Cyprus, with many FX brokers under its jurisdiction, has become popular with market participants because its European Union membership allows companies based in that country to provide FX services to other EU members.

Up until I found out more about it, the main convos I heard around it were sus like some popular pyramid schemes tied themselves to Forex and so a lot of people give it the side-eye off top even though it's waaay larger than the stock market IRL.



Here is a summary of the forex article as well as a portion of the article & the link below it:
  1. Forex brehs can file w/ the IRS under rule 988 or rule 1256
    1. Rule 988 - Any losses can be written off. If you lose $5,000, you can deduct that from you tax bill
    2. Rule 1256 - Only $3,000 can be written off but, even if you held it for less than a minute, all your profits get taxed at a 60% long term gains & 40% short term gains.
If you are wading into the currency market, keep in mind the federal tax rules on capital gains and the treatment of your trading results. This investment area is subject to complex tax regulation, which you can resolve only with good records and some early decision-making.



Long- And Short-Term Gains
A crucial consideration in forex taxation is the difference between long-term and short-term capital gains, as defined by the IRS. In general, long-term gains are those realized on investments held longer than a year; you take short-term gains (or losses) on investments that you hold for less than a year. The tax rules favor long-term gains, which are subject to a maximum tax rate of 15 percent, while short-term gains are taxed at a maximum of 35 percent.

1256 Contracts
If you are trading options and futures on currencies, you are speculating by buying and selling contracts, which have variable market prices and specified expiration dates. In Internal Revenue Service parlance, these are 1256(g) contracts, subject to a 60/40 split. The IRS taxes 60 percent of the gain as long-term, and 40 percent as short-term. In effect, the IRS blends these rates for any gains, taking into account the maximum tax rates for long- and short-term gains, and the result is a 23 percent rate on gains for all transactions no matter how long you hold them.

Spot Trading
Spot currency traders buy and sell currency pairs, which rise and fall according to market demand for one currency versus another. Most spot trades open and close within two days, are categorized as “988” contracts by the IRS and are taxed at the short-term rate (maximum 35 percent). With spot trading, you can deduct all of your losses against your gains. This allows an advantage against other short-term investments, for which you can only deduct a maximum of $3,000 in losses.


Optional Methods
The IRS allows you the option of treating your currency-trading gains under either 1256 or 988 rules, whether you deal in options, futures, or the spot market. You must make this election before the trading year begins on January 1. If you are a new trader, you can make the election at any time during the year, as long as it's before you begin trading. If your accountant or broker has designated either method, you can change that designation if you wish, but again, before January 1 or before you begin trading. Remember that the 1256 method taxes currency gains at a lower rate, but the 988 rule allows you to deduct all trading losses.
How Is FOREX Taxed?
 
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Markets have been kicking my ass. I was losing money hand over fist through the end of October so I ended up taking a breather. Sat my ass out through the elections volatility and looking to jump back in next week maybe. Unsure if I want to use some paper money for a bit or if I should have some skin in the game money wise...
 

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It’s so sad how people get gamed into paying those mlm when they can learn for free.

Babypips was a major resource when I learned about fx trading. I haven’t traded that market in a long time but I check the activity daily. As I believe there is slight correlation with US equity markets.
Markets have been kicking my ass. I was losing money hand over fist through the end of October so I ended up taking a breather. Sat my ass out through the elections volatility and looking to jump back in next week maybe. Unsure if I want to use some paper money for a bit or if I should have some skin in the game money wise...
I which pairs did you trade?
 

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It’s so sad how people get gamed into paying those mlm when they can learn for free.

Babypips was a major resource when I learned about fx trading. I haven’t traded that market in a long time but I check the activity daily. As I believe there is slight correlation with US equity markets.

I which pairs did you trade?
yeah I got plenty of people especially on IG tryna request to follow me to teach me about trading for some fee. They might be good at it but I'm good with paying for shyt that can be learned online, even if i'm not a great trader. which i hear many aren't. I trade a bit, usually just one trade since I don't have much in there so I'm not too heavy in it but still enjoy having something there to try and build up my stack.
 

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It’s so sad how people get gamed into paying those mlm when they can learn for free.

Babypips was a major resource when I learned about fx trading. I haven’t traded that market in a long time but I check the activity daily. As I believe there is slight correlation with US equity markets.

I which pairs did you trade?
BabyPips & ForexFactory are my two favorites for their forums.

In terms of pairs, I'm just scanning for setups regardless of the pair but I am staying away from countries with volatile backgrounds like Turkey and/or low liquidity like Hong Kong. I have had the most success trading Australian crosses and USDJPY but the least success with all the other US crosses and almost any other pair I've traded lol.
 

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yeah I got plenty of people especially on IG tryna request to follow me to teach me about trading for some fee. They might be good at it but I'm good with paying for shyt that can be learned online, even if i'm not a great trader. which i hear many aren't. I trade a bit, usually just one trade since I don't have much in there so I'm not too heavy in it but still enjoy having something there to try and build up my stack.
Whenever I ask them to show me receipts of their actual trading accounts it’s crickets.

My biggest issue with fx was having a good broker that offered straight through processing and was not a market maker. I didn’t have the big enough account size to trade with them. When I found someone who had what I needed they turned out to be a scammer but thankfully they didn’t burn me.

BabyPips & ForexFactory are my two favorites for their forums.

In terms of pairs, I'm just scanning for setups regardless of the pair but I am staying away from countries with volatile backgrounds like Turkey and/or low liquidity like Hong Kong. I have had the most success trading Australian crosses and USDJPY but the least success with all the other US crosses and almost any other pair I've traded lol.
do you have your own expert advisors scanning for you? I never took the time to learn how to program them.

I really enjoyed trading aud/usd. Eur/usd was good to me as well. I noticed its resistance is 1.20, every time it gets tested it crashes back down.

What time frames do y’all trade on?
 

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Whenever I ask them to show me receipts of their actual trading accounts it’s crickets.

My biggest issue with fx was having a good broker that offered straight through processing and was not a market maker. I didn’t have the big enough account size to trade with them. When I found someone who had what I needed they turned out to be a scammer but thankfully they didn’t burn me.

do you have your own expert advisors scanning for you? I never took the time to learn how to program them.

I really enjoyed trading aud/usd. Eur/usd was good to me as well. I noticed its resistance is 1.20, every time it gets tested it crashes back down.

What time frames do y’all trade on?
I do more Daily timeframe more often but it be too much volatility at times and I don't have the patience like stocks and crypto cuz it be swinging too much at times. Luckily I use trailing stops to minimize damage.
 

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Whenever I ask them to show me receipts of their actual trading accounts it’s crickets.
On a somewhat related note, have you heard of MyFxBook? It's free but they're a 3rd party that tracks trading profits and a bunch of other good trading stats. I don't think there is anything like it for free in the other financial markets.

I linked it with MT4 so that I can track my trading stats. I'll post my results once I have some data.

My biggest issue with fx was having a good broker that offered straight through processing and was not a market maker. I didn’t have the big enough account size to trade with them. When I found someone who had what I needed they turned out to be a scammer but thankfully they didn’t burn me.

do you have your own expert advisors scanning for you? I never took the time to learn how to program them.

I really enjoyed trading aud/usd. Eur/usd was good to me as well. I noticed its resistance is 1.20, every time it gets tested it crashes back down.

What time frames do y’all trade on?
My plan was to do analysis on the 4 hour chart and enter on the 15 minute chart, but I keep overwatching the 15 minute chart.

I don't have any expert advisor set up. I plan on doing things manually unless I'm consistently profitable for a long time and want to automate things[/QUOTE]
 

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On a somewhat related note, have you heard of MyFxBook? It's free but they're a 3rd party that tracks trading profits and a bunch of other good trading stats. I don't think there is anything like it for free in the other financial markets.

I linked it with MT4 so that I can track my trading stats. I'll post my results once I have some data.


My plan was to do analysis on the 4 hour chart and enter on the 15 minute chart, but I keep overwatching the 15 minute chart.

I don't have any expert advisor set up. I plan on doing things manually unless I'm consistently profitable for a long time and want to automate things
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I have not heard of MyFxBook. Do you have to give direct access to your trading account number?

I used to use the 15minute for entry and 1 hour for analysis. I wish my money was long enough to trade on the daily charts.
 

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I have not heard of MyFxBook. Do you have to give direct access to your trading account number?
I was concerned about that too but Forex brokers (or at least brokers that use MT4) have a workaround... You provide your trading account # but not your (main) password.

Each account comes with a master password and also an 'investor' password. The investor password is kinda like a throwaway password that provides read-only access to your trading account. So, you can share your verified trading results with anyone, and if MyFxBook ever got hacked, hackers would only be getting a read-only password and can't actually log into your account with read/write access.

I used to use the 15minute for entry and 1 hour for analysis. I wish my money was long enough to trade on the daily charts.
I hear ya. I don't know if I have the patience for the daily chart but if I can make money off of it, I might eventually try it.
 

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I want to get some more reps into my strategy and fine tune it because I feel like I am just throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks. Has anyone ever used any backtesting software to work on their strategies? I have TradingView & ThinkOrSwim, so I will likely use one of those. It is gonna feel weird sitting on the sidelines for the next few weeks but oh well.
 

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I'm still learning and manually backtesting my strategy. To those unfamiliar, backtesting is basically using past data to test whether your strategy is profitable. So I've replayed every day from July until now to see what trades I would've made and whether it would've been profitable. I decided to use TradingView and their Bar Replay feature has been helpful. It is what I use for charting so I don't have to learn anything new.

No one said it would be easy but everyone said it will take time so I'm mentally prepared for the grind. Here's the work I've put in so far.
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I try to backtest for at least an hour and a half a day, but with the holidays, I've been doing 3 hours on most days this week. My goal is to hit 100 hours of backtesting, and then either move to a new strategy or start using real $$$ with the current strategy.
 
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