EPI study about CEO and Wall Street banker pay increasing income inequality

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This is a lot of the same stuff Joseph Stiglitz has been saying for years about "rent-seeking." The PDF of the study in the HuffPo article.

Banker, CEO Pay Largely Responsible For Rising Inequality: Study

In a recent defense of the 1 percent, Harvard economist Greg Mankiw admitted it might be bad if the rich got richer by sucking cash from the economy without giving any value back. A new study suggests many of the rich -- especially bankers and CEOs -- are doing just that.

Josh Bivens and Lawrence Mishel, economists at the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning think tank, argue in a study responding to Mankiw that most of the rise in income inequality over the past few decades is due to the soaring pay of CEOs and Wall Street bankers who are milking money from the markets rather than generating much in the way of economic production.

"A substantial part of the extraordinary rise of top 1 percent incomes is not a result of well-functioning markets allocating pay according to value generated, but instead resulted from shifting institutional arrangements leading to shifting of rents to those at the very top," Bivens and Mishel write.

The technical term for this is "rent-seeking." Mankiw, a former economic adviser to President George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, suggested in his recent paper, "Defending The One Percent" that there wasn't much of this going on, that the 1 percent are just richer than you, and getting even richer all the time, because they are better than you.

But he does admit that rent-seeking could be a problem:

If the top 1 percent is earning an extra $1 in some way that reduces the incomes of the middle class and the poor by $2, then many people will see that as a social problem worth addressing. For example, suppose the rising income share of the top 1 percent were largely attributable to successful rent-seeking. Imagine that the government were to favor its political allies by granting them monopoly power over certain products, favorable regulations, or restrictions on trade. Such a policy would likely lead to both inequality and inefficiency. Economists of all stripes would deplore it. I certainly would.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much what has happened in the past 30 years, as Bivens and Mishel show, with numbers.

They point out that the top 1 percent of earners now take in about 74 percent of all the nation's capital gains, up from just 58.5 percent in 1979. That means they are getting the bulk of price gains in stocks, bonds and homes, to name just a few of the ways you can get capital gains. Increasingly, this kind of income is gathering at the very top and staying there. These price gains don't necessarily represent value added to the economy, just higher profit margins, Bivens and Mishel suggest.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the gains by the 1 percent in the past few decades have been made by people who work on Wall Street and top executives of non-financial firms, say Bivens and Mishel. "Together, finance and executives accounted for 58 percent of the expansion of income for the top 1.0 percent of households and an even greater two-thirds share (67 percent) of the income growth of the top 0.1 percent of households," they write.

This wouldn't matter if bankers and CEOs were busily adding value to the economy. Instead, though, many seem to be busily doing the opposite.

There's a long history of research suggesting that CEO pay is far out of proportion to the value executives add to their companies and the economy, Bivens and Mishel write. That helps explain why CEO pay has outstripped even gains in the stock market. And, tellingly, U.S. CEOs are paid much more than their foreign counterparts -- U.S. CEOs get paid 44 times what the average worker makes, according to one estimate, compared with 19.9 times for foreign CEOs.

Meanwhile, bankers have been even more obviously squeezing the system for personal gain, in just the way Mankiw described. In the 1980s and 1990s they lobbied government policy-makers to deregulate their industry, making it easier for them to build ever-bigger banks and ever-more-complex financial instruments that they could trade for fun and profit, extracting fees from clueless investors and adding nothing of value to society. And they occasionally blow up the entire financial system, creating huge additional costs to the economy.

When they are not blowing up the economy, our biggest banks are collecting a taxpayer subsidy of some $83 billion per year in lower borrowing costs, based on one estimate, because of the widespread belief that the government will never let them fail. Bankers reap the rewards of this arrangement, while hiding the future risks to the global economy lurking on their balance sheets -- risks they get handsomely paid to take.

Bivens and Mishel admit that the case for bankers and CEOs milking rent from the economy is "not yet ironclad." But they argue that U.S. government policy has clearly given bankers and CEOs strong incentives to seek rent, by slashing tax rates for top earners and on investments. Another recent EPI study suggested that the tax code was responsible for most of the rise in income inequality. They suggest policy-makers could raise those tax rates back to where they were were decades ago without doing much damage to economic growth. Reforming pay schemes for bankers and CEOs could help, too.
 

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"income inequality" straight up political term.

There is no way you can have a society where everyone has equal amount of stuff. it has never been tried anywhere and any society which have tried to come anywhere close to it has failed.
see -communism.

Most of these companies are private business as long as they pay their tax share I couldn't care less how much they pay their CEO.
 

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I expect this trend to continue... worker pay is going to get worse before it gets better, there doesn't seem to be any sort of resistance to this in the political realm and the unions lose power every 2 years, they even lost power during Obama's win.
 

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"income inequality" straight up political term.

There is no way you can have a society where everyone has equal amount of stuff. it has never been tried anywhere and any society which have tried to come anywhere close to it has failed.
see -communism.

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Most of these companies are private business as long as they pay their tax share I couldn't care less how much they pay their CEO.

The problem is they're not paying their taxes due to loopholes written into the tax code, and the they're extracting money from the market for personal gain. CEO pay and banker bonuses disproportionately high in comparison to gains in the stock market, and they're being subsidized by the taxpayer due to lowered borrowing costs, while they jeopardize stability of the economy with excessive risk.

Read the article...and the hundreds more that point out the same truths.
 

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I expect this trend to continue... worker pay is going to get worse before it gets better, there doesn't seem to be any sort of resistance to this in the political realm and the unions lose power every 2 years, they even lost power during Obama's win.

The thing about it is, shareholders basically allow what these guys get paid. Most shareholders are rich people. They don't care. CEO pay is basically because people at that level basically vote on what their own salaries should be and base it on the market. But there are so few of them to the point where it's basically like they're all colluding to inflate their value.

The idea of salary caps or ratios will never fly in the United States. Unions have been broken and it's almost impossible to even get a clean union-organizing vote (about 50% of the discrepancy between unionizing in the US and Canada is just due to voting procedures). The fact that workers are banned from secondary boycotts effectively eliminates a large percentage of their bargaining power. Unions lost the initial battle in the 40s and everything else is the result of that. Workers are afraid of being fired for joining a union or voicing displeasure, it hinders the odds of unionization. All of this is just the result of poor labor laws and massive globalization.
 

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The thing about it is, shareholders basically allow what these guys get paid. Most shareholders are rich people. They don't care. CEO pay is basically because people at that level basically vote on what their own salaries should be and base it on the market. But there are so few of them to the point where it's basically like they're all colluding to inflate their value.

The idea of salary caps or ratios will never fly in the United States. Unions have been broken and it's almost impossible to even get a clean union-organizing vote (about 50% of the discrepancy between unionizing in the US and Canada is just due to voting procedures). The fact that workers are banned from secondary boycotts effectively eliminates a large percentage of their bargaining power. Unions lost the initial battle in the 40s and everything else is the result of that. Workers are afraid of being fired for joining a union or voicing displeasure, it hinders the odds of unionization. All of this is just the result of poor labor laws and massive globalization.

Shareholder votes are dominated by the CEO nowadays, there is no real vote on pay anymore, the CEO usually just pays himself whatever the fukk he wants and the "board" does what he says... this is as a result of the CEO taking more and more power over the years.

Unions are just about extinct IMO. They will die out in a couple election cycles as a political force.
 

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Shareholder votes are dominated by the CEO nowadays, there is no real vote on pay anymore, the CEO usually just pays himself whatever the fukk he wants and the "board" does what he says... this is as a result of the CEO taking more and more power over the years.

Unions are just about extinct IMO. They will die out in a couple election cycles as a political force.

That's only if the CEO is also a primary shareholder or has preferred stock, but you're right. I forget what percentage of companies are like that now. Unions won't be extinct because the worker with them won't give them up and the government isn't as hostile to them. The private sector unions will be in trouble though I always felt the unions and labor movement should've hopped on that Occupy Wall Street buzz.
 

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"income inequality" straight up political term.

There is no way you can have a society where everyone has equal amount of stuff. it has never been tried anywhere and any society which have tried to come anywhere close to it has failed.
see -communism.

Most of these companies are private business as long as they pay their tax share I couldn't care less how much they pay their CEO.

This is one of the better written articles on the subject of the 1%, we can't over look the fact that they are "making the money and keeping it." This tells me people should start doing the same, no more excuses. Everything else is rhetoric, save your money so less of it goes to the 1%. The economy was operating on excess and people not having enough self control the past 15 years. Your cell phone bill is $1500/yr and you blow $5000/yr on crap, you are not going to beat the odds.

Look at table 1, CEO pay and the top 1%: How executive compensation and financial-sector pay have fueled income inequality | Economic Policy Institute

Most of this nonsense that is going on is the product of the last 10 or 15 years, makes you wonder what happened in 1999 that promoted this shift in consumer attitudes and spending. If people remember the environment around this time, its easy to figure out the answer. This was my first year on Sohh, so I gotta say what's up to Antipathy cause he saw it coming.
 

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Sohh if I have a degree in math, can I work on wallstreet...

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Definitely if you show you have a passion for the capital markets. You could also work as an Actuary or Quant.

nikkas get mad all they want instead of trying to be I-Bankers, PM's and Traders themselves. Hopefully I'm on Wallstreet myself next year this time around. :upsetfavre:
 

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Definitely if you show you have a passion for the capital markets. You could also work as an Actuary or Quant.

nikkas get mad all they want instead of trying to be I-Bankers, PM's and Traders themselves. Hopefully I'm on Wallstreet myself next year this time around. :upsetfavre:

Believing in capitalism and a more reasonable distribution of wealth are not mutually exclusive.
 
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