Does Light Experience Time?

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We experience the distance light travels through space, yet does it have a way of knowing the distance and time it traveled? :ehh:



Have you ever noticed that time flies when you’re having fun? Well, not for light. In fact, photons don’t experience any time at all. Here’s a mind-bending concept that should shatter your brain into pieces.

As you might know, I co-host Astronomy Cast, and get to pick the brain of the brilliant astrophysicist Dr. Pamela Gay every week about whatever crazy thing I think of in the shower. We were talking about photons one week and she dropped a bombshell on my brain. Photons do not experience time. [SNARK: Are you worried they might get bored?]

Just think about that idea. From the perspective of a photon, there is no such thing as time. It’s emitted, and might exist for hundreds of trillions of years, but for the photon, there’s zero time elapsed between when it’s emitted and when it’s absorbed again. It doesn’t experience distance either. [SNARK: Clearly, it didn't need to borrow my copy of GQ for the trip.]

Since photons can’t think, we don’t have to worry too much about their existential horror of experiencing neither time nor distance, but it tells us so much about how they’re linked together. Through his Theory of Relativity, Einstein helped us understand how time and distance are connected.

Let’s do a quick review. If we want to travel to some distant point in space, and we travel faster and faster, approaching the speed of light our clocks slow down relative to an observer back on Earth. And yet, we reach our destination more quickly than we would expect. Sure, our mass goes up and there are enormous amounts of energy required, but for this example, we’ll just ignore all that.


NGC 6791 – The full Hubble Advanced Camera for Surveys field (top right) is full of stars estimated to be 8 billion years old. Bottom right: The blue circles identify hotter dwarfs that are 4 billion years old. The red circles identify cooler dwarfs that are 6 billion years old. – Credit: NASA, ESA, and L. Bedin (STScI)

If you could travel at a constant acceleration of 1 g, you could cross billions of light years in a single human generation. Of course, your friends back home would have experienced billions of years in your absence, but much like the mass increase and energy required, we won’t worry about them.


The closer you get to light speed, the less time you experience and the shorter a distance you experience. You may recall that these numbers begin to approach zero. According to relativity, mass can never move through the Universe at light speed. Mass will increase to infinity, and the amount of energy required to move it any faster will also be infinite. But for light itself, which is already moving at light speed… You guessed it, the photons reach zero distance and zero time.

Photons can take hundreds of thousands of years to travel from the core of the Sun until they reach the surface and fly off into space. And yet, that final journey, that could take it billions of light years across space, was no different from jumping from atom to atom.



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There is this anime called gunbuster that really handled Relativistic time well. It was also a central plot theme. The Space marines would go on long distance journeys, and when they would come home, all their relatives would be a lot older.

In one instance, a pilot's boyfriend had cancer and she was told that her boyfriend would die in 6 months. As she left the earth at light speed, a clock kept track of earth's time, and she watched in horror as 6 months flew by (earth time) in seconds.

At the end of series, the Space marines set off a Black Hole bomb to wipe out Earth's enemies (it was the most accurate depiction, at least visually, of Black hole at the time BTW). The Black bomb sent the two Space Marine Pilots into a some kind of worm hole and for the pilots 20 minutes elapsed, but for earth 10,000 years elapsed. I can't believe that I watched and understood this show as a 9 year-old.
 

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There is this anime called gunbuster that really handled Relativistic time well. It was also a central plot theme. The Space marines would go on long distance journeys, and when they would come home, all their relatives would be a lot older.

In one instance, a pilot's boyfriend had cancer and she was told that her boyfriend would die in 6 months. As she left the earth at light speed, a clock kept track of earth's time, and she watched in horror as 6 months flew by (earth time) in seconds.

At the end of series, the Space marines set off a Black Hole bomb to wipe out Earth's enemies (it was the most accurate depiction, at least visually, of Black hole at the time BTW). The Black bomb sent the two Space Marine Pilots into a some kind of worm hole and for the pilots 20 minutes elapsed, but for earth 10,000 years elapsed. I can't believe that I watched and understood this show as a 9 year-old.
Happened in Aliens too, Ripley woke out of hypersleep to discover her daughter died about a year ago at the age of 80 something
 

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he does tell me what to expect experimentally out of either claim
 

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he does tell me what to expect experimentally out of either claim

I think the result would be no change. If you existed as a photon and traveled the length of the entire universe and became yourself again, you would experience no passage of time.

But then how much passage of time would everything relative to you experience? Is time a function of gravity? Is mass a key component of time? I'm still a bit confused too.
 

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I think the result would be no change. If you existed as a photon and traveled the length of the entire universe and became yourself again, you would experience no passage of time.
what is your standard for time? universal information (ie changes)? atomic decay?


But then how much passage of time would everything relative to you experience?

is there a standard outside of perception? to me it seems the universe itself is a clock, every phenomenon is driven from previous phenomenon, all in a quantized fashion, which is equivalent to decay with predictable intermittent rejuvenation (star birth) driven by the immutable gravity.
Is time a function of gravity?
barring equipment sensitivity issues, you would expect to see time discrepancies on the moon (an experiment I am sure they would have done and we would have heard about)
Is mass a key component of time?
not directly

I'm still a bit confused too.
as are all of us
 

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How long does a photon stay alive.


1 quintillion years, plus or minus a trillion years. :manny:

Light lives 1 quintillion years, physicists suggest | Fox News

"How much do we actually know about photons?" asked particle physicist Julian Heeck at the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics at Heidelberg, Germany. "They led to several revolutions in science, but their properties are still a puzzle."

:leon:

Intriguingly, the speed that photons travel at means their extraordinary life spans will pass by quickly from their perspective. Einstein's theory of relativity suggests when particles travel extraordinarily quickly, the fabric of space and time warps around them, meaning they experience time as passing more slowly than objects moving relatively slowly. This means that if photons live for 1 quintillion years, from their perspective, they will only live about three years.

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what is your standard for time? universal information (ie changes)? atomic decay?

:manny:



is there a standard outside of perception? to me it seems the universe itself is a clock, every phenomenon is driven from previous phenomenon, all in a quantized fashion, which is equivalent to decay with predictable intermittent rejuvenation (star birth) driven by the immutable gravity.

Fascinating

barring equipment sensitivity issues, you would expect to see time discrepancies on the moon (an experiment I am sure they would have done and we would have heard about)
not directly

Actually gravity does warp space time, hence time and space breaking down in black holes. I guess that question could have been rhetorical :yeshrug:

as are all of us

Indeed friend. Indeed.
 

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Fascinating



Actually gravity does warp space time, hence time and space breaking down in black holes. I guess that question could have been rhetorical :yeshrug:



Indeed friend. Indeed.
Bending spacetime is an interesting way to look at but trouble is you would say that any of the other forces are doing the same on different scales
 

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There is this anime called gunbuster that really handled Relativistic time well. It was also a central plot theme. The Space marines would go on long distance journeys, and when they would come home, all their relatives would be a lot older.

In one instance, a pilot's boyfriend had cancer and she was told that her boyfriend would die in 6 months. As she left the earth at light speed, a clock kept track of earth's time, and she watched in horror as 6 months flew by (earth time) in seconds.

At the end of series, the Space marines set off a Black Hole bomb to wipe out Earth's enemies (it was the most accurate depiction, at least visually, of Black hole at the time BTW). The Black bomb sent the two Space Marine Pilots into a some kind of worm hole and for the pilots 20 minutes elapsed, but for earth 10,000 years elapsed. I can't believe that I watched and understood this show as a 9 year-old.
Im imagining a kid like ":ehh: their time dilation corrections are on point"
 
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