DJ Scratch Calls For Early Hip Hop Pioneers To Get Their History “Sorted Out”

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DJ Scratch Calls For Early Hip Hop Pioneers To Get Their History "Sorted Out"

Not long after MC Sha-Rock sparred with Debbie D over first female MC claims, DJ Scratch had a message for the OGs.

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Not long after MC Sha-Rock sparred with Debbie D over first female MC claims, DJ Scratch had a message for the OGs.


DJ Scratch is well rooted in Hip-Hop culture. As a member of EPMD, he produced the tracks “Funky Piano” and “Rampage” from 1991’s Business As Usual. He also worked on a remix for “I’m Mad” in addition to being the duo’s official DJ. He later linked up with Busta Rhymes and started producing for Flipmode Squad, LL COOL J, Q-Tip and many more. Needless to say, he’s been around. But despite his vast knowledge of Hip-Hop, he thinks there are some discrepancies that need to be discussed





Not long after MC Sha-Rock sparred with Debbie D over first female MC claims, DJ Scratch had a message for the OGs. On Saturday (March 18), DJ Scratch shared a Facebook status that read: “All the first generation of Hip Hop from all New York City boroughs need to sit in a room & get this history sorted out correctly




The post produced a cascade of comments from people who were primarily in agreement. Many agreed Hip Hop was older than 50 but still gave credit to Kool Herc. As one person wrote: “Coming from the outside looking in, I think the culture is older than 50, but Herc’s event can still be recognized as the seminal moment. That was the Genesis moment.

“Everybody can’t be called a Founder but the contributions of men like Grandmaster Flowers has to be recognized. All of the Boroughs need their space and recognition as contributing to the birth of the culture but DJ Kool Herc’s party still is recognized as the moment the others incidentally birthed.”

Unsurprisingly, that comment also sparked a debate and someone quickly pointed out Flowers wasn’t considered a Hip-Hop DJ. Another commenter brought up DJ Hollywood, who is still labeled a “disco” DJ to this day. It’s these nuanced arguments that DJ Scratch clearly thinks need to be resolved.

Hip Hop officially turns 50 on August 11, the same date in 1973 Kool Herc and sister Cindy Campbell threw the Back To School party at 1520 Sedgwick Ave. in the Bronx.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It was interesting hearing Crazy legs mad at this hip hop 50 shyt on Drink Champs. They claim Latinos are being Witten out of Hip Hop. Most the Latinos they identity were Black people. EFN tries to take the Puerto Ricans in NY to mean all Latinos contributed to hip hop. Highly disingenuous. Crazy legs throws shade at Herc and the birth of hip hop first jam narrative.

Its true there's rap before hip hop and its true there was a lot of moves incorporated into bboying that predate hip hop. Some from tap dances etc. I found it funny that Crazy legs gets credited for inventing the windmill but for some years now there has been footage of people doing floor moves like that before rap was a thing.

The story is mostly fine the problem is now the pioneers are fighting over who should get the most credit or inserting their biases. shyt is corny.

 

[KingsOfKings]

Not wrong

 

[Mindfield333]

It was interesting hearing Crazy legs mad at this hip hop 50 shyt on Drink Champs. They claim Latinos are being Witten out of Hip Hop. Most the Latinos they identity were Black people. EFN tries to take the Puerto Ricans in NY to mean all Latinos contributed to hip hop. Highly disingenuous. Crazy legs throws shade at Herc and the birth of hip hop first jam narrative.

Its true there's rap before hip hop and its true there was a lot of moves incorporated into bboying that predate hip hop. Some from tap dances etc. I found it funny that Crazy legs gets credited for inventing the windmill but for some years now there has been footage of people doing floor moves like that before rap was a thing.

The story is mostly fine the problem is now the pioneers are fighting over who should get the most credit or inserting their biases. shyt is corny.

That’s the thing about being credited for something… You’re not necessarily the first person to do something… You’re the first person to publicly stake a claim about being the first to do something … and a group of people accept it. You see that with history and the patent office.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The ongoing kool herc party creation myth, is basically "never let facts get in the way of a good story"

Thats not when hip hop started

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Hip Hop elements date back decades before is allegedly was “invented”.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

The ongoing kool herc party creation myth, is basically "never let facts get in the way of a good story"

Thats not when hip hop started

I don't recall anyone saying that's when it started. More like the first organized jam which is disbuted.
But you have issues with herk for another reason...

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

It’s not what you know its what you can prove. It’s obvious the Sedgwick party wasnt the first but if were talking about national/global recognition you need to have something you can document. Herc’s party had flyers, that is why it’s getting the credit and it makes sense.

 

[papa pimp]

It’s not what you know its what you can prove. It’s obvious the Sedgwick party wasnt the first but if were talking about national/global recognition you need to have something you can document. Herc’s party had flyers, that is why it’s getting the credit and it makes sense.

That flyer with the alleged August 11th date was actually fabricated:

Is Hip-Hop's Birthday Mythology?

The story of hip-hop’s birthday on August 11, 1973 is an amazing one. But…is it true?

www.okayplayer.com

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

That flyer with the alleged August 11th date was actually fabricated:

Is Hip-Hop's Birthday Mythology?

The story of hip-hop’s birthday on August 11, 1973 is an amazing one. But…is it true?

www.okayplayer.com

Ok, I’ma come up off my stance till this gets sorted out like DJ Scratch said then.

 

[get these nets]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-talk-hip-hop-14-episode-podcast-hosted-by-mr-biggs-soul-sonic-force-cholly-rock.955424/

1st generation B Boy Cholly Rock and Soul Sonic Big had a podcast series where they examine and speak to the pioneers. Worth checking out if you are truly interested in the history.

And if you are truly into the history, and care about the debate that Scratch is talking about.......they speak to Debbie D in episode#2 and speak to Sha Rock in episode #10.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I don't recall anyone saying that's when it started. More like the first organized jam which is disbuted.
But you have issues with herk for another reason...

No here in the Bronx, it has always been a point of contention

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

No here in the Bronx, it has always been a point of contention

I know I said crazy legs called out that story. Said there was people on the flyer that didn't meet Herc till later.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It’s not what you know its what you can prove. It’s obvious the Sedgwick party wasnt the first but if were talking about national/global recognition you need to have something you can document. Herc’s party had flyers, that is why it’s getting the credit and it makes sense.

This. To kill the story you need some other receipts.
Most veterans dispute the participants of said party not that it actually happened. They also dispute it being the first gathering. But there's no evidence of another.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

This. To kill the story you need some other receipts.
Most veterans dispute the participants of said party not that it actually happened. They also dispute it being the first gathering. But there's no evidence of another.

The kool herc story isn’t a real receipt though. It never made any logical sense to narrow the origin down to a singular party

When you ask someone to explain, no one can properly articulate what exactly did they create at that party