Did Turkey just invade Iraq?

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:ohhh: They're near Mosul... where ISIS has been running to from Raqqa. No more Syrian oil? Taking Iraqi oil?

Think Tank experts say these are just "rotating troops". At least 150, with heavy artillery, who will be "training" Peshmerga in Nineveh province, north of Mosul. Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government have an ultra-dodgy arrangement in northern Iraq. Mosul is not not even Kurdistan, it is sovereign Iraqi territory. The KRG are the "good Kurds" for Ankara, because they're mega-corrupt and bribable.

PKK and YPG - fighting for their autonomous area in northern Syria, are the terrorists.






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They're in the province not the city just for the record. Iraq doesn't control their own borders so they really don't have a leg to stand on imo. Hell Turkey went into Syria I think it was at one point and took some tomb or shrine out because of its significance and it was always guarded by Turkish soldiers before the war in Syria even. Iraq can't even clear out Fallujah so to act like they're going to go clean Turkey out is a sad joke.
 

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They're in the province not the city just for the record. Iraq doesn't control their own borders so they really don't have a leg to stand on imo. Hell Turkey went into Syria I think it was at one point and took some tomb or shrine out because of its significance and it was always guarded by Turkish soldiers before the war in Syria even. Iraq can't even clear out Fallujah so to act like they're going to go clean Turkey out is a sad joke.

Turkish imperialism knows no bounds. This is a clear violation of state borders and can be viewed as an act of war.

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Turkish imperialism knows no bounds. This is a clear violation of state borders and can be viewed as an act of war.

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They where invited by the Governor of the Kurdish region in Iraq, they have had close ties for a very long time with Turkey. Baghdad is unable to protect the rest of Iraq anymore.
 

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this is true

don't forget about the oil :sas2:
True, the relationship is based on selling oil to Turkey and buying consumer goods from them. Its just strange how Turkey fukks with the Kurds in Iraq. Meanwhile it shyts on the Syrian/Turkish Kurds. All the while Iraqi Kurds are cool with it as well. Then you got other Kurds riding with ISIS:wtf:
 
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Erdogan Moves To Annexes Mosul
The wannabe Sultan Erdogan did not get his will in Syria where he had planned to capture and annex Aleppo. The Russians prevented that. He now goes for his secondary target, Mosul in Iraq, which many Turks see as historic part of their country:

At the end of World War I in October 1918, after the signature of the Armistice of Mudros, British forces occupied Mosul. After the war, the city and the surrounding area became part of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (1918-1920), and shortly Mandatory Iraq (1920-1932). This mandate was contested by Turkey which continued to claim the area based on the fact that it was under Ottoman control during the signature of the Armistice.In the Treaty of Lausanne, the dispute over Mosul was left for future resolution by the League of Nations. Iraq's possession of Mosul was confirmed by the League of Nations brokered agreement between Turkey and Great Britain in 1926. Former Ottoman Mosul Vilayet eventually became Nineveh Province of Iraq, but Mosul remained the provincial capital.
Mosul, Iraq's second biggest city with about a million inhabitants, is currently occupied by the Islamic State.

On Friday a column of some 1,200 Turkish soldiers with some 20 tanks and heavy artillery moved into a camp near Mosul. The camp was one of four small training areas where Turkey was training Kurds and some Sunni-Arab Iraqis to fight the Islamic State. The small camps in the northern Kurdish area have been there since the 1990s. They were first established to fight the PKK. Later their Turkish presence was justified as ceasefire monitors after an agreement ended the inner Kurdish war between the KDP forces loyal to the Barzani clan and the PUK forces of the Talabani clan. The bases were actually used to monitor movement of the PKK forces which fight for Kurdish independence in Turkey.

The base near Mosul is new and it was claimed to be just a small weapons training base. But tanks and artillery have a very different quality than some basic AK-47 training. Turkey says it will increase the numbers in these camps to over 2000 soldiers.

Should Mosul be cleared of the Islamic State the Turkish heavy weapons will make it possible for Turkey to claim the city unless the Iraqi government will use all its power to fight that claim. Should the city stay in the hands of the Islamic State Turkey will make a deal with it and act as its protector. It will benefit from the oil around Mosul which will be transferred through north Iraq to Turkey and from there sold on the world markets. In short: This is an effort to seize Iraq's northern oil fields.

That is the plan but it is a risky one. Turkey did not ask for permission to invade Iraq and did not inform the Iraqi government.

The Turks claim that they were invited by the Kurds:

Turkey will have a permanent military base in the Bashiqa region of Mosul as the Turkish forces in the region training the Peshmerga forces have been reinforced, Hürriyet reported.
The deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioğlu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4.

There are two problems with this. First: Massoud Barzani is no longer president of the KRG. His mandate ran out and the parliament refused to prolong it. Second: Mosul and its Bashiqa area are not part of the KRG. Barzani making a deal about it is like him making a deal about Paris.

The Iraqi government and all major Iraqi parties see the Turkish invasion as a hostile act against their country. Abadi demanded the immediate withdrawal of the Turkish forces but it is unlikely that Turkey will act on that. Some Iraqi politicians have called for the immediate dispatch of the Iraqi air force to bomb the Turks near Mosul. That would probably the best solution right now but the U.S. installed Premier Abadi is too timid to go for such strikes. The thinking in Baghdad is that Turkey can be kicked out after the Islamic State is defeated. But this thinking gives Turkey only more reason to keep the Islamic State alive and use it for its own purpose. The cancer should be routed now as it is still small.

Barzani's Kurdistan is so broke that is has even confiscated foreign bank accounts to pay some bills. That may be the reason why Barzani agreed to the deal now. But the roots run deeper. Barzani is illegally selling oil that belongs to the Iraqi government to Turkey. The Barzani family occupies not only the presidential office in the KRG but also the prime minister position and the local secret services. It is running the oil business and gets a big share of everything else. On the Turkish side the oil deal is handled within the family of President Erdogan. His son in law, now energy minister, had the exclusive right to transport the Kurdish oil through Turkey. Erdogan's son controls the shipping company that transports the oil over sea to the customer, most often Israel. The oil under the control of the Islamic State in Iraq passes the exactly same route. These are businesses that generate hundreds of millions per year.

It is unlikely that U.S., if it is not behinds Turkey new escapade, will do anything about it. The best Iraq could do now is to ask the Russians for their active military support. The Turks insisted on their sovereignty when they ambushed a Russian jet that brushed its border but had no intend of harming Turkey. Iraq should likewise insist on its sovereignty, ask Russia for help and immediately kick the Turks out. The longer it waits the bigger the risk that Turkey will eventually own Mosul.
 
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Turkish imperialism knows no bounds. This is a clear violation of state borders and can be viewed as an act of war.

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:heh: viewed as an act of war? Iraq is selling wolf tickets. The state of Iraq doesn't even exist right now. Who is declaring war and with what army?
 

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:heh: viewed as an act of war? Iraq is selling wolf tickets. The state of Iraq doesn't even exist right now. Who is declaring war and with what army?

You raise a good point but by international law Turkey may have invaded a foreign country and Iraq is within its rights to kick them out. If Iraq cannot do so, they can ask the international community for help wether its the US or Russia.
 

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You raise a good point but by international law Turkey may have invaded a foreign country and Iraq is within its rights to kick them out. If Iraq cannot do so, they can ask the international community for help wether its the US or Russia.

Iraq isn't a country though...
 
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