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"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread
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Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
Trade him to China for Jeremy Lin. Thibs
vets.
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Veteran
At 11, my wish is for Mathurin or Griffin to slip. But I think Davis is the most likely player outta that mold to reach our slot and he's my least favorite of that bunch. I'd prefer we swing for the fences on Dieng or Duren in that case. Dieng is an oversized playmaker and Duren is a ridiculous athlete with sneaky potential in his touch and passing.
My preference overall is a trade for 4 and landing Ivey. But I don't think that's gonna be a realistic option. I'd still chase a trade for 7 to get one of Murray, Sochan, Sharpe, or Mathurin. If we can't trade up, I wouldn't mind trading down but from 11 on I just hope we swing for the fences because we already have plenty of young depth. So instead of worrying about a sure-thing, I'd go all or nothing.
I'd probably do the same thing in the second round...trade for something late and grab Kai Sotto to stash in the G-league and see if he can develop into something.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
I more or less agree on all this
Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
The New York Knicks are brimming with young players and have a surplus of draft picks. If they want to move up in the 2022 NBA Draft, teams ahead of them will need to answer the phone.
New York owns all of its future first-round picks as well as the Dallas Mavericks’ 2023 selection, and it has eight second-rounders from other teams. Currently, the Knicks roster has seven players 24 and under, but it has veterans who command playing time too. Entering training camp with eight or nine young guys means multiple players might not see the floor. So, we are running an experiment.
Knicks beat writer Fred Katz gives seven hypothetical trade-up scenarios to NBA reporters at The Athletic who cover teams that pick No. 4 through No. 10 in the upcoming draft, which is June 23. Some deals are based on historical comparisons, and others are just offering the house for high picks merely to see if another team will bite.
Let’s get to them now.
No. 10 — Washington Wizards
Wizards get:
No. 11 pick
2023 Pistons second-round pick
2024 Knicks second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 10 pick
Explanation: If a deal like this were to happen, it would surely be on draft night instead of in the days leading up to June 23, and it could be because the Knicks have intel that Washington likes the same player they do. Historically, the price for moving up one slot late in the lottery is a couple of second-rounders. For example, in 2018 the Clippers slid up one spot to snag Shai Gilgeous-Alexander on draft night. It took two future second-round picks to move from No. 12 to No. 11. This is the reason second-rounders are hoarded, as the Knicks have. Their two most tradable ones are easily the Pistons’ ones in 2023 and ’24. The rest are all either their own or belong to teams that were above .500 this past season.
Wizards’ side: I’ll provide a definitive answer in a moment, but it depends. If the Wizards think a player who is available at No. 10 is appreciably better than a player who would be available at No. 11, then the Wizards should not, and likely would not, complete that trade. It would be nice to add two second-round picks. But if the available players are equal in the Wizards’ eyes, then they do the deal. I suspect, however, that one of the following will drop to No. 10: Dyson Daniels, Johnny Davis, AJ Griffin and Jeremy Sochan. So no, I don’t think Washington would do that trade. — Josh Robbins, Wizards beat reporter
No. 9 — San Antonio Spurs
Spurs get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
Knicks get:
No. 9
Explanation: Years back, ESPN’s Kevin Pelton devised a draft-points system, assigning a value to each draft pick, No. 1 through 60, as a way to figure out fair trades. Even Pelton admits, though, that teams pay a premium to move up on draft night. Deals come quickly, and people making the calls will use similar, market-setting trades of recent seasons to negotiate more. With that in mind, this offer is based on a 2014 trade between the 76ers and Magic, which allowed Orlando to move up two spots in the late lottery, from No. 12 to No. 10 10, to snag a familiar face to Knicks fans, Elfrid Payton. The Magic included the 12th pick, which turned into Dario Saric, a second-rounder and the Sixers’ future first-round pick, which Philadelphia had previously traded away in the Dwight Howard deal, to get it done.
Spurs’ side: The Spurs love extra bites at the apple. In a draft that seems to have a clear top four, I doubt the difference between Nos. 9 and 11 matters as much to San Antonio as it does to the Knicks. Picking up a likely late first in next year’s draft gives them another shot at finding one of those back-of-the-first-round players who they always seem to find. The last two drafts have seen the Spurs selecting at No. 11 and 12, respectively. Devin Vassell was a heavy-minute rotation player in Year 2 as a 3-and-D wing and Josh Primo, who many scouts think would be a top-seven level talent in this year’s draft, showed real improvement in the last quarter of the season. So, the Spurs have shown their chops for drafting in the middle of the first round, too. Dropping two spots in this year’s draft is likely worth the extra bite for San Antonio. — Dave DuFour, NBA analyst
No. 8 — New Orleans Pelicans
Pelicans get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2023 Pistons second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 8
Explanation: The Pelicans could be right up against the luxury tax line in 2022-23. The difference between salary slots for a No. 8 and No. 11 pick could matter to them. If they believe they can still get the player they want, maybe a deal like this is worth it. The Knicks could include cash to entice the Pelicans, too, enough to help them buy another second-rounder. The Knicks, by league rule, could trade up to a little under $5.7 million in cash.
Pelicans’ side: The Pelicans made a deal that was somewhat similar to this one last offseason — essentially moving back seven spots in the 2021 draft to dump Eric Bledsoe and swap out Steven Adams for Jonas Valanciunas. New Orleans also was supposed to give a top-10 protected 2022 Lakers first-round pick to Memphis in the deal, but the pick ended up staying with the Pels because the Lakers were so awful this season. Now, that No. 8 pick has become a target for teams outside of the top 10 … like the Knicks. The Pels could take this deal and stockpile more future assets, but it’s easy to fall for some of the players who are projected to be in that 8-15 range in this year’s draft. Bennedict Mathurin has a potentially dangerous offensive skill set. Jeremy Sochan could turn into a tenacious defender with size. This has the chance to be a deep class of rookies. But in the end, it’ll be much easier for New Orleans to stay put and nab the best player available with the eighth pick. There will be at least one or two intriguing names still on the board at that point in the draft. Why not just grab one of them and avoid the drama? If the Pelicans have taught us anything recently, it’s that the future picks acquired in a lot of these deals aren’t what they always appear to be. This is an interesting idea, but I think the Pels would ultimately decline. — Will Guillory, Pelicans beat writer
No. 7 — Portland Trail Blazers
Trail Blazers get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
Obi Toppin
Knicks get:
No. 7
Keon Johnson
Greg Brown III
Explanation: The entire league is aware that the Trail Blazers are open to moving No. 7 and that they’d do it to get better now. They went through their half-season tank, and with Damian Lillard’s age-32 season incoming, they want to compete again. I chose Toppin to be included, but it just as easily could have been another of the Knicks’ young guys, and I did not predict he would be enough to persuade the Blazers. The reality is, the Knicks aren’t a great trade partner for Portland, which has a massive, $20.9 million trade exception it can use to acquire an impact veteran. The seventh pick could be the main piece to get that guy. The Knicks’ vets don’t quite fit what the Blazers are seeking, and it’s not like New York would throw a higher-level young guy, like RJ Barrett, into a deal like this.
Blazers’ side: Portland turns this down in a heartbeat. Although the Blazers are open for business on the trade front, it feels like they believe the No. 7 pick can garner a player who can make an immediate impact. Although Toppin is a power forward — a position of need for Portland — and although he plays hard, is a good athlete and is a good cutter and screener, he’s not in the league of players linked to the Blazers, like Jerami Grant, John Collins and OG Anunoby. I think the Blazers feel like No. 7 is worth more than Toppin. The Dallas future first is tempting — especially if the Blazers make the playoffs next season and lose their pick to Chicago (top 14 protected) — but the Mavericks pick will likely be in the 20s, so it’s not like the pick will generate a game-changing player on Lillard’s shrinking timeline. — Jason Quick, Trail Blazers beat writer
No. 6 — Indiana Pacers
Pacers get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2024 Knicks first-round pick (top 8 protected in 2024 and ’25; top 10 protected in ’26; top 14 protected in ’27; becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed by 2027)
Alec Burks
Nerlens Noel
Immanuel Quickley
Knicks get:
No. 6
Malcolm Brogdon
Explanation: Let’s get crazy. The Knicks are making two trades in one here, paying the price to move up five slots and also giving up enough to land Brogdon, who has three years and about $68 million remaining on his contract. Maybe, just maybe, New York could end up with another big-time guard at No. 6, too, if Purdue dynamo Jaden Ivey were to drop a tad more than expected. Pistons beat writer James Edwards recently reported that Detroit decision-makers, who are prepping for the No. 5 pick, have mixed reviews on Ivey. This would be difficult to get done on draft night, however, since there are so many pieces to discuss and on June 23 executives are working against the timer.
Pacers’ side: Coach Rick Carlisle works well with speedy guards. Quickley isn’t the steady hand that Brogdon is, but he has speed and range and would fit nicely next to Tyrese Haliburton or Chris Duarte. Whether he’s the sixth man or a starter, his scoring would be useful for the Pacers. Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel would be nice depth pieces for a team that is likely to compete for a Play-In Tournament berth. The drop from No. 6 to No. 11 stings a bit, but getting Quickley and two future firsts makes it worth it. While the Dallas pick is likely to be at the end of the first round next year, the 2024 top-eight protected Knicks first-rounder feels like a fairly safe bet to convey, given the team’s recent track record. — DuFour
No. 5 — Detroit Pistons
Pistons get:
No. 11
2024 Knicks first-round pick (top 3 protected in 2024 and ’25; top 4 protected in ’26; becomes two second-rounders if not conveyed by 2026)
2027 first-round swap
2023 Pistons second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 5
Explanation: Teams don’t normally drop this far out of the top five, especially when they’re in the middle of a rebuild, but this offer gives the Pistons hope for at least one more high pick: the 2024 first-rounder, which is protected lightly, and the pick swap in 2027 when Cade Cunningham could be leading a competitive Detroit squad. Yes, it would be prudent for the Knicks to protect the swap so they don’t needlessly give away a first-overall pick, as the Nets did in the Kevin Garnett/Paul Pierce trade years ago, but I wanted to see if leaving it unprotected could be enough to get the Pistons to say yes to this.
Pistons’ side: As enticing as that offer is, I don’t think Detroit makes that deal. The rebuilding Pistons are looking to start turning a corner soon, and with Cunningham leading the way, this could be the last time the franchise picks in the top five for a while. Capitalizing on this opportunity and getting a prospect that general manager Troy Weaver covets is important to the rebuild. In a different draft class, maybe this deal gets done. I just don’t think the Pistons are as enthusiastic about who likely will be available at No. 11, as they are at No. 5. — James Edwards, Pistons beat writer
No. 4 — Sacramento Kings
Kings get:
No.11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2024 Knicks first-round pick (unprotected)
2027 first-round swap
Knicks get:
No. 4
Explanation: This is a star trade: four first-rounders for one. If you’re the Knicks, you do this only because you’re confident that Ivey, or whomever else you may prefer at No. 4, can alter the future of a franchise. There are ways to construct a fake trade for the fourth pick without throwing so many first-rounders at the Kings, too. Sacramento is in a perennial quest for the postseason. What if New York included Barrett, who is extension eligible once the offseason begins and can hit restricted free agency in 2023? The Kings could use a wing scorer, though Barrett’s, Domantas Sabonis’ and De’Aaron Fox’s inside-the-arc games aren’t the most complementary. But I don’t think Barrett’s inclusion is realistic, which is why I tried to overwhelm Sacramento with picks aplenty to gauge the reaction.
Kings’ side: The Kings are the kind of team that could always use multiple draft picks to use in future deals. Ideally, those picks would be used to land an established player to eventually help the Kings end the NBA’s longest playoff drought in history. But they managed to do that this season when trading for Sabonis without having to send any first-round picks to Indiana in the deal. Sacramento did have to part with Haliburton to acquire Sabonis, so there is a reason to stay at No. 4 if they can land a franchise cornerstone to add to Sabonis and Fox. The reality is the Kings are more likely to miss the playoffs for a 17th consecutive season than turn things around next season. So if this deal is available, they have to consider it for the chance to stockpile assets if they don’t see a player they believe will be a star with the fourth pick. — Jason Jones, former Kings beat writer
New York owns all of its future first-round picks as well as the Dallas Mavericks’ 2023 selection, and it has eight second-rounders from other teams. Currently, the Knicks roster has seven players 24 and under, but it has veterans who command playing time too. Entering training camp with eight or nine young guys means multiple players might not see the floor. So, we are running an experiment.
Knicks beat writer Fred Katz gives seven hypothetical trade-up scenarios to NBA reporters at The Athletic who cover teams that pick No. 4 through No. 10 in the upcoming draft, which is June 23. Some deals are based on historical comparisons, and others are just offering the house for high picks merely to see if another team will bite.
Let’s get to them now.
No. 10 — Washington Wizards
Wizards get:
No. 11 pick
2023 Pistons second-round pick
2024 Knicks second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 10 pick
Explanation: If a deal like this were to happen, it would surely be on draft night instead of in the days leading up to June 23, and it could be because the Knicks have intel that Washington likes the same player they do. Historically, the price for moving up one slot late in the lottery is a couple of second-rounders. For example, in 2018 the Clippers slid up one spot to snag Shai Gilgeous-Alexander on draft night. It took two future second-round picks to move from No. 12 to No. 11. This is the reason second-rounders are hoarded, as the Knicks have. Their two most tradable ones are easily the Pistons’ ones in 2023 and ’24. The rest are all either their own or belong to teams that were above .500 this past season.
Wizards’ side: I’ll provide a definitive answer in a moment, but it depends. If the Wizards think a player who is available at No. 10 is appreciably better than a player who would be available at No. 11, then the Wizards should not, and likely would not, complete that trade. It would be nice to add two second-round picks. But if the available players are equal in the Wizards’ eyes, then they do the deal. I suspect, however, that one of the following will drop to No. 10: Dyson Daniels, Johnny Davis, AJ Griffin and Jeremy Sochan. So no, I don’t think Washington would do that trade. — Josh Robbins, Wizards beat reporter
No. 9 — San Antonio Spurs
Spurs get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
Knicks get:
No. 9
Explanation: Years back, ESPN’s Kevin Pelton devised a draft-points system, assigning a value to each draft pick, No. 1 through 60, as a way to figure out fair trades. Even Pelton admits, though, that teams pay a premium to move up on draft night. Deals come quickly, and people making the calls will use similar, market-setting trades of recent seasons to negotiate more. With that in mind, this offer is based on a 2014 trade between the 76ers and Magic, which allowed Orlando to move up two spots in the late lottery, from No. 12 to No. 10 10, to snag a familiar face to Knicks fans, Elfrid Payton. The Magic included the 12th pick, which turned into Dario Saric, a second-rounder and the Sixers’ future first-round pick, which Philadelphia had previously traded away in the Dwight Howard deal, to get it done.
Spurs’ side: The Spurs love extra bites at the apple. In a draft that seems to have a clear top four, I doubt the difference between Nos. 9 and 11 matters as much to San Antonio as it does to the Knicks. Picking up a likely late first in next year’s draft gives them another shot at finding one of those back-of-the-first-round players who they always seem to find. The last two drafts have seen the Spurs selecting at No. 11 and 12, respectively. Devin Vassell was a heavy-minute rotation player in Year 2 as a 3-and-D wing and Josh Primo, who many scouts think would be a top-seven level talent in this year’s draft, showed real improvement in the last quarter of the season. So, the Spurs have shown their chops for drafting in the middle of the first round, too. Dropping two spots in this year’s draft is likely worth the extra bite for San Antonio. — Dave DuFour, NBA analyst
No. 8 — New Orleans Pelicans
Pelicans get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2023 Pistons second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 8
Explanation: The Pelicans could be right up against the luxury tax line in 2022-23. The difference between salary slots for a No. 8 and No. 11 pick could matter to them. If they believe they can still get the player they want, maybe a deal like this is worth it. The Knicks could include cash to entice the Pelicans, too, enough to help them buy another second-rounder. The Knicks, by league rule, could trade up to a little under $5.7 million in cash.
Pelicans’ side: The Pelicans made a deal that was somewhat similar to this one last offseason — essentially moving back seven spots in the 2021 draft to dump Eric Bledsoe and swap out Steven Adams for Jonas Valanciunas. New Orleans also was supposed to give a top-10 protected 2022 Lakers first-round pick to Memphis in the deal, but the pick ended up staying with the Pels because the Lakers were so awful this season. Now, that No. 8 pick has become a target for teams outside of the top 10 … like the Knicks. The Pels could take this deal and stockpile more future assets, but it’s easy to fall for some of the players who are projected to be in that 8-15 range in this year’s draft. Bennedict Mathurin has a potentially dangerous offensive skill set. Jeremy Sochan could turn into a tenacious defender with size. This has the chance to be a deep class of rookies. But in the end, it’ll be much easier for New Orleans to stay put and nab the best player available with the eighth pick. There will be at least one or two intriguing names still on the board at that point in the draft. Why not just grab one of them and avoid the drama? If the Pelicans have taught us anything recently, it’s that the future picks acquired in a lot of these deals aren’t what they always appear to be. This is an interesting idea, but I think the Pels would ultimately decline. — Will Guillory, Pelicans beat writer
No. 7 — Portland Trail Blazers
Trail Blazers get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
Obi Toppin
Knicks get:
No. 7
Keon Johnson
Greg Brown III
Explanation: The entire league is aware that the Trail Blazers are open to moving No. 7 and that they’d do it to get better now. They went through their half-season tank, and with Damian Lillard’s age-32 season incoming, they want to compete again. I chose Toppin to be included, but it just as easily could have been another of the Knicks’ young guys, and I did not predict he would be enough to persuade the Blazers. The reality is, the Knicks aren’t a great trade partner for Portland, which has a massive, $20.9 million trade exception it can use to acquire an impact veteran. The seventh pick could be the main piece to get that guy. The Knicks’ vets don’t quite fit what the Blazers are seeking, and it’s not like New York would throw a higher-level young guy, like RJ Barrett, into a deal like this.
Blazers’ side: Portland turns this down in a heartbeat. Although the Blazers are open for business on the trade front, it feels like they believe the No. 7 pick can garner a player who can make an immediate impact. Although Toppin is a power forward — a position of need for Portland — and although he plays hard, is a good athlete and is a good cutter and screener, he’s not in the league of players linked to the Blazers, like Jerami Grant, John Collins and OG Anunoby. I think the Blazers feel like No. 7 is worth more than Toppin. The Dallas future first is tempting — especially if the Blazers make the playoffs next season and lose their pick to Chicago (top 14 protected) — but the Mavericks pick will likely be in the 20s, so it’s not like the pick will generate a game-changing player on Lillard’s shrinking timeline. — Jason Quick, Trail Blazers beat writer
No. 6 — Indiana Pacers
Pacers get:
No. 11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2024 Knicks first-round pick (top 8 protected in 2024 and ’25; top 10 protected in ’26; top 14 protected in ’27; becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed by 2027)
Alec Burks
Nerlens Noel
Immanuel Quickley
Knicks get:
No. 6
Malcolm Brogdon
Explanation: Let’s get crazy. The Knicks are making two trades in one here, paying the price to move up five slots and also giving up enough to land Brogdon, who has three years and about $68 million remaining on his contract. Maybe, just maybe, New York could end up with another big-time guard at No. 6, too, if Purdue dynamo Jaden Ivey were to drop a tad more than expected. Pistons beat writer James Edwards recently reported that Detroit decision-makers, who are prepping for the No. 5 pick, have mixed reviews on Ivey. This would be difficult to get done on draft night, however, since there are so many pieces to discuss and on June 23 executives are working against the timer.
Pacers’ side: Coach Rick Carlisle works well with speedy guards. Quickley isn’t the steady hand that Brogdon is, but he has speed and range and would fit nicely next to Tyrese Haliburton or Chris Duarte. Whether he’s the sixth man or a starter, his scoring would be useful for the Pacers. Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel would be nice depth pieces for a team that is likely to compete for a Play-In Tournament berth. The drop from No. 6 to No. 11 stings a bit, but getting Quickley and two future firsts makes it worth it. While the Dallas pick is likely to be at the end of the first round next year, the 2024 top-eight protected Knicks first-rounder feels like a fairly safe bet to convey, given the team’s recent track record. — DuFour
No. 5 — Detroit Pistons
Pistons get:
No. 11
2024 Knicks first-round pick (top 3 protected in 2024 and ’25; top 4 protected in ’26; becomes two second-rounders if not conveyed by 2026)
2027 first-round swap
2023 Pistons second-round pick
Knicks get:
No. 5
Explanation: Teams don’t normally drop this far out of the top five, especially when they’re in the middle of a rebuild, but this offer gives the Pistons hope for at least one more high pick: the 2024 first-rounder, which is protected lightly, and the pick swap in 2027 when Cade Cunningham could be leading a competitive Detroit squad. Yes, it would be prudent for the Knicks to protect the swap so they don’t needlessly give away a first-overall pick, as the Nets did in the Kevin Garnett/Paul Pierce trade years ago, but I wanted to see if leaving it unprotected could be enough to get the Pistons to say yes to this.
Pistons’ side: As enticing as that offer is, I don’t think Detroit makes that deal. The rebuilding Pistons are looking to start turning a corner soon, and with Cunningham leading the way, this could be the last time the franchise picks in the top five for a while. Capitalizing on this opportunity and getting a prospect that general manager Troy Weaver covets is important to the rebuild. In a different draft class, maybe this deal gets done. I just don’t think the Pistons are as enthusiastic about who likely will be available at No. 11, as they are at No. 5. — James Edwards, Pistons beat writer
No. 4 — Sacramento Kings
Kings get:
No.11
2023 Mavericks first-round pick (top 10 protected in 2023, ’24 and ’25; becomes a second-round pick if not conveyed by 2025)
2024 Knicks first-round pick (unprotected)
2027 first-round swap
Knicks get:
No. 4
Explanation: This is a star trade: four first-rounders for one. If you’re the Knicks, you do this only because you’re confident that Ivey, or whomever else you may prefer at No. 4, can alter the future of a franchise. There are ways to construct a fake trade for the fourth pick without throwing so many first-rounders at the Kings, too. Sacramento is in a perennial quest for the postseason. What if New York included Barrett, who is extension eligible once the offseason begins and can hit restricted free agency in 2023? The Kings could use a wing scorer, though Barrett’s, Domantas Sabonis’ and De’Aaron Fox’s inside-the-arc games aren’t the most complementary. But I don’t think Barrett’s inclusion is realistic, which is why I tried to overwhelm Sacramento with picks aplenty to gauge the reaction.
Kings’ side: The Kings are the kind of team that could always use multiple draft picks to use in future deals. Ideally, those picks would be used to land an established player to eventually help the Kings end the NBA’s longest playoff drought in history. But they managed to do that this season when trading for Sabonis without having to send any first-round picks to Indiana in the deal. Sacramento did have to part with Haliburton to acquire Sabonis, so there is a reason to stay at No. 4 if they can land a franchise cornerstone to add to Sabonis and Fox. The reality is the Kings are more likely to miss the playoffs for a 17th consecutive season than turn things around next season. So if this deal is available, they have to consider it for the chance to stockpile assets if they don’t see a player they believe will be a star with the fourth pick. — Jason Jones, former Kings beat writer
tremonthustler1
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Only way that happens is if you trade Barrett.
Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
Bro. Gladly.
An off season of moving Barrett and Randle for some more modern, switchable talent would make me soooo happy.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Don’t let Knicks Twitter see this
I would do that Kings trade for Ivey. It’s an all in bet that he’s gonna be a superstar though. That’s a lot of pressure for a kid i don’t think we know enough about his mental make up yet. The kings would need a starter though to make that trade make sense in their win now edict they’re putting out there so Fournier would have to make his way into that trade im thinking, for Holiday, Davis and Harkless expirings.
At that point is it too much? To re-iterate:
11, 23 Mavs, 24 unprotected, 27 swap and Evan Fournier for 4 and 3 expiring contracts.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Fred Katz on the low is the new Isola. He says some really dumb shyt, but no one calls him out on it because he is attached to the Athletic so it’s behind a paywall.
Wtf would the Knicks trade up to #10? That is a stupid scenario
Wtf would the Knicks trade up to #10? That is a stupid scenario
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nikkas wanna trade rj for the chance at jeremy fukking sochan + a lotto pick we already have
I done see it all
I done see it all
Eh, he makes dumb trade proposals, (he trying to take my crown) but I’ve always liked him when I heard him on podcasts back as a wizards best reporter. I just read this article as a thought exercise amongst coworkers covering teams.
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How y’all doing?
How y’all doing?
Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
nikkas wanna trade rj for the chance at jeremy fukking sochan + a lotto pick we already have
I done see it all
Yes
Quote me, don't be so passive aggressive.
