Sacramento doesn't have enough bad contracts necessarily for the Knicks to take on for it to be a possibility.
"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread
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Sacramento doesn't have enough bad contracts necessarily for the Knicks to take on for it to be a possibility.
The knicks have tried to move up BUT other teams have to want what you got to do it . Why would one of the top 5 picking teams trade with us ? Just wanting a player that’s out of our reach doesn’t mean it can happen .Probably trying to figure out how to get Harrison Barnes or some shyt.
Insert DWade pump fake gif.
Wait AND it's a CAA pro day?
This is just client recon, nothing to do with the actual franchise. Man's still an agent at heart.
I'm telling you bro, they don't have the balls to do shyt. Too scared of public perception. Don't waste the time or hope on that.
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I don’t think they are p*ssy on the draft. 
They were open to move up for obi. They moved back to try and get Maxey and IQ, moved back to get Grimes and McBride. They got too many picks this year and if they consider last year a fluke, then they should see trying to move up from 11 as a last chance to get high draft talent.
I do not think they have the assets to move up to 4 but up to 7 or 8 is realistic because the Blazers or Pelicans might be open to a package of vets, future picks, just to move down a few spots.
They were open to move up for obi. They moved back to try and get Maxey and IQ, moved back to get Grimes and McBride. They got too many picks this year and if they consider last year a fluke, then they should see trying to move up from 11 as a last chance to get high draft talent.
I do not think they have the assets to move up to 4 but up to 7 or 8 is realistic because the Blazers or Pelicans might be open to a package of vets, future picks, just to move down a few spots.
Daniel.
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Knicks were like top 3 in assets over the last 2-3 years and couldn't get shyt doing - you think it's because teams don't want what they have? Or because this smug, we think we're smarter than everyone else front office isn't offering shyt because they're too p*ssy to be seen as overspending out of fear of failure/media backlash?
It's easy to trade back and pat yourself on the back for getting talent for cheaper than you could have. It's easy to stay where you are and draft to the position you're in. No one will criticize objective, tangible, sensible moves. Trade up? Take a risk on perceived generational talent? No. They'll trade back so they can be smart with the salary cap. They'll stay put because their scouts put them in a position where they are alway perfectly prepared to draft at any pick, so there's no need to swing for the star talent they sorely need. Then they'll sell us on having such great young talent but have them under a coach that won't play them until all of the vets are hurt or out with COVID.
Do what yall want, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this team to do shyt. Just stay the path, do what makes sense for this current roster that they're hitching themselves to and let the years pass for this coach and front office until they quit or get fired. That's my expectation. One day we'll have someone in the front office with some balls to go for a championship team. Till then, all this shyt is whatever.
It's easy to trade back and pat yourself on the back for getting talent for cheaper than you could have. It's easy to stay where you are and draft to the position you're in. No one will criticize objective, tangible, sensible moves. Trade up? Take a risk on perceived generational talent? No. They'll trade back so they can be smart with the salary cap. They'll stay put because their scouts put them in a position where they are alway perfectly prepared to draft at any pick, so there's no need to swing for the star talent they sorely need. Then they'll sell us on having such great young talent but have them under a coach that won't play them until all of the vets are hurt or out with COVID.
Do what yall want, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this team to do shyt. Just stay the path, do what makes sense for this current roster that they're hitching themselves to and let the years pass for this coach and front office until they quit or get fired. That's my expectation. One day we'll have someone in the front office with some balls to go for a championship team. Till then, all this shyt is whatever.
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You do have a valid point. However, trading back is just as much a risk as trading up. If they miss on someone by moving behind where they got picked it’s a fiascoKnicks were like top 3 in assets over the last 2-3 years and couldn't get shyt doing - you think it's because teams don't want what they have? Or because this smug, we think we're smarter than everyone else front office isn't offering shyt because they're too p*ssy to be seen as overspending out of fear of failure/media backlash?
It's easy to trade back and pat yourself on the back for getting talent for cheaper than you could have. It's easy to stay where you are and draft to the position you're in. No one will criticize objective, tangible, sensible moves. Trade up? Take a risk on perceived generational talent? No. They'll trade back so they can be smart with the salary cap. They'll stay put because their scouts put them in a position where they are alway perfectly prepared to draft at any pick, so there's no need to swing for the star talent they sorely need. Then they'll sell us on having such great young talent but have them under a coach that won't play them until all of the vets are hurt or out with COVID.
Do what yall want, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this team to do shyt. Just stay the path, do what makes sense for this current roster that they're hitching themselves to and let the years pass for this coach and front office until they quit or get fired. That's my expectation. One day we'll have someone in the front office with some balls to go for a championship team. Till then, all this shyt is whatever.
Also, their in that no man’s land of having too many assets, 3 first rounders in the next two seasons, 5 second rounders too for a total of 8 picks? Thisteam already has youth he could use more minutes, so moving it forward doesn’t help.
Plus the media is being kind but this is not a deep draft, outside the lottery. Now multiple teams have first rounders this year, but that Mavs pick in next year’s stronger draft is worth more. Teams above us are in the playoff hunt or really want to be. Blazers and Pelicans are both potential trade partners. Griffin has a good starting unit, but the Pelicans lack a bench. Blazers have talent but could use bench depth too. I don’t think a Randle trade is there, but the Knicks have assets if a team wants to move back, add some depth, and get picks for their trouble.
Also the FO have openly been scouting guys who are all scheduled to go before they pick. If they were focused on 11 or trading back we would be hearing more about Sochan or Eason or Agbaji. They openly scouted Davis, Daniels, Griffin, and Mathurin. All those guys are top 10 guys on most mocks.
Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
All of this circumstance and surplus of picks sounds like a recipe for a team with a competent front office to actually do something of value to make roster improvements or at best reduce redundancies.
They also have essentially 30+ mil in expirings with Burks, Rose and Noel, which would make them players for a disgruntled player making major money, or a playoff team looking to add cost efficient play to their bench and willing to give up draft picks (say, for a strong draft next year, where the team could potentially position themselves to have multiple draft picks in a covered draft class).
Yet somehow all I see happening is more talk of doing "due diligence", not being able to agree to terms on any moves that "made sense" and being happy to go to war with the talent they have because they don't want to mess up the chemistry of the team.
We'll see.
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I feel like we’re saying the same thing about the assets they have but you think they are p*ssy which is fair. I just think they learned last year being a p*ssy only gets you screwed.All of this circumstance and surplus of picks sounds like a recipe for a team with a competent front office to actually do something of value to make roster improvements or at best reduce redundancies.
They also have essentially 30+ mil in expirings with Burks, Rose and Noel, which would make them players for a disgruntled player making major money, or a playoff team looking to add cost efficient play to their bench and willing to give up draft picks (say, for a strong draft next year, where the team could potentially position themselves to have multiple draft picks in a covered draft class).
Yet somehow all I see happening is more talk of doing "due diligence", not being able to agree to terms on any moves that "made sense" and being happy to go to war with the talent they have because they don't want to mess up the chemistry of the team.
We'll see.
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The Knicks part:
- Donovan Mitchell is highly unlikely. Even if he does demand a trade, other packages that can trump New York will end up being offered.
- There's also growing consensus that Jalen Brunson is going back to Dallas. They can offer an extra year and it could be close to John Collins' 5/125. The only thing the Knicks have going for them is that they can guarantee a lead ballhandling role that's not afforded next to Luka.
- The Knicks really like Jaden Ivey, everyone knows it, but Ivey is expected to go at 6th the latest (important because that means trading up to Portland's 7 won't be enough).
- Other league executives name-dropped D'angelo Russell as a buy-low option for New York. Key words being "other executives" and nothing about actual internal interest. But he's likely gonna be available so keep an eye out.
- New York's not gonna try for Colin Sexton. No interest there.
- As for potentially outgoing...The Pistons really like Mitch if they can't land Ayton.
- Also unrelated but could get interesting, Toronto wants a Center. They're considering using OG Anunoby to get one. His 17 mil per year seems like a nice match for what Mitch's second deal could reach on the high end. That said, OG is so good that they're talking about using him as the centerpiece for Rudy Gobert. I'm just saying that there's a center starved team out there that needs a trade.
I would definitely take D'Angelo Russell. His game has grown a lot over the years.
Also smart move not to take Sexton. He's not it.
I can’t say not moving up in a possible weak draft is p*ssy . Being p*ssy is not making a move to upgrade the Pg position last year and simply falling out play off / play - in contention. Moving up is hard and it requires a lot of capital plus this isn’t some crazy deep draft .
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I think the Knicks are gonna be more aggressive this offseason. Timing, assets (not just the Mavs first but a ton of second-rounders in the next couple years), and roster gluts mean that they need to shuffle things around. I just don't know how they'll be aggressive with all of it because they don't have blue chip assets.
Like the seconds will get them off some expirings...I doubt much else. Maybe the Mavs pick and 11 can move them up...but not far enough to grab Ivey. I don't think there's one obvious move. But maybe a couple of smaller moves can get them into a position with cap space, expirings, and extras where they can make a more exciting move.
Idk though. I think they've been opportunistic in spells...the Rose trade for example. What makes that interesting is that they have a lot of middling pieces to make some noise if they're creative.
Like the seconds will get them off some expirings...I doubt much else. Maybe the Mavs pick and 11 can move them up...but not far enough to grab Ivey. I don't think there's one obvious move. But maybe a couple of smaller moves can get them into a position with cap space, expirings, and extras where they can make a more exciting move.
Idk though. I think they've been opportunistic in spells...the Rose trade for example. What makes that interesting is that they have a lot of middling pieces to make some noise if they're creative.
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absolutely terrible defender and his offense has stagnated. he couldnt even close games in the series vs the grizzlies cause he was getting targeted repeatedly. I would only consider him in a trade if its a salary dump fro julius cause dlo is expiring. i would not bring him back with this core by any means
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Sacramento getting Sabonis closed the door on Randle to Sacramento.
