Credits in hip hop should read "Beat by:" instead of "Produced by:"

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If you dont craft that beat behind the rappers theme or lyrics, u just a beatmaker.

Just sendin in a beat instead of bein in the studio makin it, bouncin ideas off each other, u just a beatmaker.

Just my opinion:yeshrug:
 

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If you dont craft that beat behind the rappers theme or lyrics, u just a beatmaker.

Just sendin in a beat instead of bein in the studio makin it, bouncin ideas off each other, u just a beatmaker.

Just my opinion:yeshrug:

Sounds good in theory and I don't disagree with what you are getting at but they would have to change the laws in which performers/producers get paid on royalties if that were the case.
 

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Yea I feel what your saying but then what do you do about the Producers who actually do produce and not just make the beat. It'll get confusing on a mixtape of half the tracks say "beat by" and the others say "produced by"
 

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I get ur concept but must disagree since "beat" is more associated with "timing" (BPM) in music.

So basically Beats By: Just Blaze will mean Just Blaze set up the metronome.
 

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Sounds good in theory and I don't disagree with what you are getting at but they would have to change the laws in which performers/producers get paid on royalties if that were the case.

This as well, the entire process would just become an even bigger mess than it already is.
 
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Beat maker is someone who actually makes the beat.

While producer orchestrates and arranges the sound.

Pharrell always seemed like the best maker while chad was the producer.
 

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Sometimes credits read:

Produced By: ___________

All Instruments By: ____________

^^^ I think it's better when listed this way if the producer didn't manually create the music and someone else actually created the beat.
 

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Sounds good in theory and I don't disagree with what you are getting at but they would have to change the laws in which performers/producers get paid on royalties if that were the case.

Actually, rap is the strange one when it comes to law.

Traditional setup is songwriter, producer and performer - producer and songwriters tend to get 50% cut of the royalties each, while performers are more likely to be paid a one off. Producers are generally not songwriters though. I'll use the examples of Blur and The Smashing Pumpkins to demonstrate.

SP - Billy Corgan, the main songwriter, has sole credit for writing almost all of their songs. That means that all royalties from the sale or play of songs written would go to both him and his various producers. Even if the bassist or the drummer in the band came up with their own rhythm/basslines, they would not get writing credit because the original idea for the song, the lyrics and the melody come from Billy Corgan.

Blur - All music is credited to Blur and all lyrics are credited to Damon Albarn. There are 4 members of the band, but credit is split 5 ways - likely this meant that the producer got 50% of royalties while Albarn got 20% and the rest got 10% each. This is a bit closer to the rap method, but it's relatively rare (I think Pink Floyd was a major band to take this approach).

So what you generally have is a words/music split - this is actually how Dizzee Rascal used to work when he still self-produced. He took sole credit for words, he and Cage (his manager and producer) took combined credit for music, and Cage was considered the 'producer'.

Rap is completely different - the producer is often not involved in the recording process, but gets an additional writing credit for coming up with the music. Now, unless the producer is an idiot and forfeits royalties for a one-off payment (which a lot of producers have done in the past) he would get a substantial cut of royalties because he would be dipping into the writing side as well as the producing side. This is what needs to change, in my opinion. We need to go back to the view that a producer is not a producer but a beatmaker - give him writing royalties if necessary, but if he's not there to influence the direction of a song or at the very least give performers some guidance, he's not a producer.
 

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Beat maker is someone who actually makes the beat.

While producer orchestrates and arranges the sound.

Pharrell always seemed like the best maker while chad was the producer.

Not necessarily, they really are co-producers in the truest sense of the word because Pharrell lays down reference tracks for singers and directs how a song can be sung.

The Neptunes are interesting (and smart) because back in the day they refused to give co-writing credit to singers that they crafted songs for. If you look at Kelis' first album, all songwriting and producing credit was handled by P. Williams/C. Hugo, so they likely got all of the royalties. Obviously as their commercial stock experienced diminishing returns they loosened up quite a bit and I think Beyonce was the first singer to actually get a writing credit with them.
 

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anyone else wonder why there ain't a produced by option in itunes?

that shyt kinda bugs me. all they got is an option for composer. fukk everyone who composed the song which is always a billion mafukkers.
 

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Not always.. As much as i hate post-ruff ryder swizzy, he brings an entire concept to the table.. Even if it was the worst song on nas album
 

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lol i thought this was gona be about how these clowns are puttin (produced by) on mixtapes. like youll see an uncle murda track summertime shootouts produced by dj premier

shyt is over who got gunz :heh:

like yea prim laced u with that right :rudy:
 

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lol i thought this was gona be about how these clowns are puttin (produced by) on mixtapes. like youll see an uncle murda track summertime shootouts produced by dj premier

shyt is over who got gunz :heh:

like yea prim laced u with that right :rudy:

People re-using other people's beats should NOT say produced by in the credits. I agree to the fullest. Trying to sneak a fast one on dummies.
 
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