Craniometrics as a indication of admixture

[VerbalIntercourse]

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: f3-statistics on craniometric data?

Some interesting ones:

Philippines as Buriat+Andaman; this makes sense if Philippines is the result of admixture between an "East Asian" and a "Negrito" population
Norse as Egypt+Buriat; the Howells "Egypt" sample is "Mediterranean" in the classical sense. Perhaps this involves the same "East Eurasian"-like signal of admixture detected by genetic methods? Similar signal also occurs for Zalavar (from Hungary)
Hainan as Andaman+Anyang; south Chinese as Neolithic Chinese+"Negrito"-like old south Chinese?
Arikara as Buriat+Australian; admixture between "Australoid" Paleo-Indians and "Mongoloid" ones? or between 1st wave Indians and later ones (sensu Reich et al. 2012)?
Guam as Tolai+Buriat; admixture between "Papuan"-like and East Asian-like people in Polynesia?

I suspect that everyone south of the Yangtze river is mixed with the Ancient Black population.

Tasha Ried is a good example. She is mixed with a an extreme northern Asian population, which has a very low probability of black admixture, and Black American

She looks about as southern as any Vietnamese, South Chinese or Thai. However, She doesn't look korean, yakut, mongolion or Yayoi-Japanese. She definitely stands out in Korean.

I don't think the Black touch will ever go away, and that's why Chinese, Cambodians, tongans, Thai, Vietnamese and Samoans always cluster very closely to each other and seem to always be distinct from Koreans and Japanese who clusters closer to Europeans. The southerners are connected by their admixture with the Old Asians (the blacks)

 

[The Real]

So are you going by the front of the head here, or the back?

 

[HoustonHeat]

I don't think the Black touch will ever go away, and that's why Chinese, Cambodians, tongans, Thai, Vietnamese and Samoans always cluster very closely to each other and seem to always be distinct from Koreans and Japanese who clusters closer to Europeans. The southerners are connected by their admixture with the Old Asians (the blacks)

Chinese Americans look down on Viet, Laotian, Thai and other SE-Asians and don't consider Samoans and Tongans to be Asian at all.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Change your avatar, dikkhead.

 

[zerozero]

what's the point of classifying all old/island indigenous populations as 'black'? i mean are native americans and africans and native australians and south american tribes just all the same people? Hardly.

 

[emoney]

what was the point of this thread?

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

blacks and south asians do share some really similar facial features eg lips, cheekbones, noses. i always wondered why these features seemed to be more likely to get preserved in some regions but not others. it cant all come down to environment imo... at some point there must have been some intrinsic cultural preferences to keep original black features, or to discard them

the probably cant be proven, but it would reveal a lot about us ie innate racial prejudice to certain face types. imo black/south asian features are more neotenic (rounder, baby-like) vs its counterpart aquilinity (sharper, harder) and it seems that cultures tend to either trend to more neotenic faces or to more aquiline faces

the most beautiful faces in my opinion are a mix of both, which is why black/white mixes (or alternatively: any neotenic/aquiline mix) tend to look the best of all people. just my opinion

the way it seems to have been set up, its almost like mixed people were always destined to look the most beautiful of all people on the planet

for example: daiane sodre

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

blacks and south asians do share some really similar facial features eg lips, cheekbones, noses. i always wondered why these features seemed to be more likely to get preserved in some regions but not others. it cant all come down to environment imo... at some point there must have been some intrinsic cultural preferences to keep original black features, or to discard them

Speaking as a south asian, there are a lot of morphic differences all over the region. Even inside of just India, you'll see that people vastly differ in everything from body shape to color, and this also plays out in facial characteristics. There are a lot of hypothesis concerning the development of the Indian subcontinent that try to explain differences and similarities between european, arab, and indian groups (lots of overlaps in culture, language, etc. Google "proto-indo-european"). I think the most supported one right now is the kurgan hypothesis,

but since im not an anthropologist, i cant say for sure.

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

just facially, it always seemed to me that indians/pakis etc are completely different from south asians if not all asians. from a pure speculative point it always seemed like they were always the early or proto whites, who later shifted further north and became the modern whites. the south asians further east seem to have went in a completely different direction facially.to me they really seemed to want to abandon black features whereas south asians seemed to be really ok with keeping a lot of them.

its interesting that they have a long history of light vs dark skin racism too which exists even today. theres something there, i would say, innately cultural, about the way they ultimately came to look

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

just facially, it always seemed to me that indians/pakis etc are completely different from south asians if not all asians. from a pure speculative point it always seemed like they were always the early or proto whites, who later shifted further north and became the modern whites. the south asians further east seem to have went in a completely different direction facially.to me they really seemed to want to abandon black features whereas south asians seemed to be really ok with keeping a lot of them.

its interesting that they have a long history of light vs dark skin racism too which exists even today. theres something there, i would say, innately cultural, about the way they ultimately came to look

Yeah, you will see exceedingly large differences between south indians and north indians, especially in terms of skin color and facial features. There's always been a sub conflict there. I think personally it has to do with how the Vedic civilizations developed after the fall of the Harappan civilization, but that is very very controversial and I dont feel comfortable or knowledgeable enough about speaking on it. Maybe @zerozero can say something

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

yeah waiting for zerzero's input

 

[Mr. Somebody]

When the person is demonic, their phenotype characteristics really dont matter because demons are a race all to themselves.

 

[zerozero]

yeah waiting for zerzero's input

about south asians? yeah I dunno. I do think in a way north india, pakistan, afghanistan and iran can be seen as connected genetically/historically

and iran can be kinda connected to europe and the mideast/north africa

so there might have been some exchange there

 

[unit321]

I've been mistaken for being black, once. I was quite tanned from playing tennis a lot one summer. A white kid came up to me and asked if I was black. I was like, no. I didn't take it personally. I was a kid at at K-B toy store looking at GI Joes and the white kid was probably more confused than anything else.
My cheekbones are kind of bro-ish. My schlong isn't. So... what was this thread about?

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

what was this thread about?

daiane sodre