Could tipping in restaurant be coming to an end?

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A recent move by Sushi Yasuda, a high-end Japanese eatery in New York, to prohibit customers from leaving gratuities — the restaurant raised menu prices by roughly 15% to cover waitstaff salaries — is prompting discussion about whether the no-tip movement could reach, well, a tipping point.

And it is a definite movement: Such renowned restaurants as Thomas Keller’s Per Se in New York and French Laundry in Yountville, Calif.; Alice Waters’ Chez Panisse in Berkeley, Calif.; and Grant Achatz’s Alinea in Chicago have similar policies in place. So did the recently closed Linkery restaurant in San Diego, where owner Jay Porter found that service improved because of the policy, despite widespread beliefs that the tradition of tipping fosters a culture of accountability.

Porter’s argument? Having a reliable income is empowering. “If you don’t have to think about money, you can focus on doing your job well,” he wrote earlier this month.

Actually, the case for going tip-free is broader than that. Restaurateurs and customers alike say that it does away one of the most unpleasant aspects of the dining-out experience — namely, the meal-ending ritual of “grading” a server and then doing the math based on that judgment. “The meal should be there for you to enjoy without doing this calculus,” says Sushi Yasuda owner Scott Rosenberg.

That said, consumers don’t appear to put a lot of thought into the grading, at least according to a Cornell University study. Researchers at the school found that diners tipped about the same amount regardless of their experience. “Average tip percentages are only weakly related” to service quality, study author Michael Lynn concluded.

Still, at a time when dining establishments have come under fire for issues relating to how tip money is split among employees — in many eateries, gratuities are shared with support staff or even managers — there’s some thought that a no-tip policy may be the quickest way to avoid headaches and potential legal complications. For example, at Starbucks, the issue has become so thorny that baristas have sued to win back millions in tips that they allege were unfairly divvied; one case is currently making its way through the courts.

In that light, eliminating the whole issue of gratuities looks like “a win for the restaurants,” says management and strategy consultant Abhay Padgaonkar.

But the practice has its defenders. Without such a reliable system of accountability, high-level service could be compromised, says Edward P. Foy, Jr., owner of The Chateau on the Lake, an American-European upscale restaurant in Bolton Landing, N.Y.

Even some servers point out that accountability can sometimes work to their advantage: With tips, there’s the potential to make more money than might be possible under a flat-wage system. “Getting rid of tipping would be horrible,” says Jenn Harris, a waitress in Solana Beach, Calif.

There’s also the issue that old habits are hard to break. While tipping is not necessarily standard in other parts of the world — most notably, some Asian and European countries — it’s long been part of the American dining system. “Even if you changed the server’s mentality toward how they are compensated, it is almost impossible to rewire the American customer who thinks they have to leave ‘something’ at the end of the meal,” says Carolyn Richmond, a New York-based attorney with Fox Rothschild who specializes in the hospitality industry.

That’s indeed what Scott Rosenberg of Sushi Yasuda discovered after establishing the restaurant’s no-tip policy a few months ago. Patrons were still leaving money on the table, resulting in instances of waiters having to track them down outside the restaurant to return the cash. But Rosenberg says that customers have gotten more accustomed to the policy in recent weeks and are better appreciating the point.

“It just seems like a more transparent way of operating a restaurant,” Rosenberg says.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/end-restaurant-tipping-112546842.html
 

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nah. white people got these idiots that go out to eat on lock.

a few might back out but it's like the two party political system. a few will jump ship but the majority are sheep and do anything that is the "norm"
 
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I personally always felt like tipping was dumb anyway. You have a job, your getting paid, why do you deserve EXTRA money for doing your job well? My girl used to get on me for like two years straight cause I never left tips but after hearing from a few friends how the pay rates are shytty in most restaurants I started tipping.

Still if they took it away I wouldn't mind in the slightest
 

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Got no problems with tipping, if the service is there. Have only not tipped twice because the waiter/waitress were beyond the worst I've ever experienced (3 Amigos in MTL, Jackastors in Woodbridge). I just don't like the unwritten rule of tipping a standard % (10-15% here in T.O.) when two people from two different restaurants can do the exact same job but one will get a fatter tip just because that place is more expensive (or just because you ate more :pachaha:)

That's why it was such a welcome change going to Europe last month where they don't expect a tip. Hell, the debit/credit machines don't even prompt for it! We met a friend that lived there and she said the norm was like 50 cents to a dollar :heh: We were dropping our usual amount (factoring in the exchange rate) for like a week :dead:
 

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tipping should be illegal....I gotta pay extra so the employer can become richer........and if i dont want to, im the bad guy

Yup. Tipping is a scheme that demonic employers use to get the customer and his employees fighting each other instead of his employees fighting him for paying them such a shytty wage. Only fools subscribe to the tip movement, I haven't tipped since 2002.
 

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Yup. Tipping is a scheme that demonic employers use to get the customer and his employees fighting each other instead of his employees fighting him for paying them such a shytty wage. Only fools subscribe to the tip movement, I haven't tipped since 2002.
word...i still tip, but i fukking hate the concept of it....and also so those chumps dont do nothing to my dish
 

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Yup. Tipping is a scheme that demonic employers use to get the customer and his employees fighting each other instead of his employees fighting him for paying them such a shytty wage. Only fools subscribe to the tip movement, I haven't tipped since 2002.

Only reason I tip if I go out is because I feel bad and know I'm coming back and don't want shytty service ect. Not because I care about them getting paid
 

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i was at the bar the other day, usually i tip every other beer. this time i got 2 beers without tipping :jawalrus:

dude looks at me pissed like 'this isnt charity work u know' :childplease:
 

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tipping should be illegal....I gotta pay extra so the employer can become richer........and if i dont want to, im the bad guy
exactly these dumb ass nikkas dont use they head

the company purposely pays the employee dirt cheap cause he knows he cant get a proper cut out the tip

they charge the customer to eat there and also charges the customer to pay their employees

dumb nikkas
 

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All in all. I don't mind tipping because it's what I've been doing since I became old enough and paid for my own shyt when eating out.

It's like paying for anything you don't like the price of. Whatever. Pay it, and keep it moving. Welcome to America
 

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About time.....

I mean, I would still tip for outstanding service but I honestly only get that like 3-4 times a year...

The workers at Whataburger and Chick Fil A are nicer than the waiters at some of these high end resturants and they don't get tips.
 
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i was at the bar the other day, usually i tip every other beer. this time i got 2 beers without tipping :jawalrus:

dude looks at me pissed like 'this isnt charity work u know' :childplease:
I woulda said "it is when I choose not tip you". You chose employment where compensation is optional
 
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