Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

what are you referring to?

She has a fairly documented evil side.

 

[FooFighters]

what are you referring to?

A Critic’s Lonely Quest: Revealing the Whole Truth About Mother Teresa

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Why Mother Teresa wasn't as saintly as you'd think

 

[phcitywarrior]

Legit question, to the countries that have slowed the spread, are they still on lockdown or is life back to "normal" except with required masks and socially distanced services and of course limitations on "high risk" activities e.g. concerts, sporting events?

My belief would be that as countries lift lockdowns, cases should go back out, with or without masks, although masks will slow the transmission. If that's the case, what should be the strategy moving forward (outside of mask wearing and socially distancing).

 

[FooFighters]

 

[FooFighters]

But there is a lot of unreported stuff with the fatality rate that doesn't get factor. DOA by emergency services. Undetermined cases increase from last year. Pneumonia death being on the rise.

Pneumonia deaths are on the rise because of Corona virus. This is what other people don't get.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Legit question, to the countries that have slowed the spread, are they still on lockdown or is life back to "normal" except with required masks and socially distanced services and of course limitations on "high risk" activities e.g. concerts, sporting events?

My belief would be that as countries lift lockdowns, cases should go back out, with or without masks, although masks will slow the transmission. If that's the case, what should be the strategy moving forward (outside of mask wearing and socially distancing).

Agree. IMO, social distance, masks, and limiting capacity is pretty much all we can do if there is a desire to have things open. Otherwise it doesn’t matter if everyone shuts down and for the same amount of time, when it does open up, cases will go up.

I’m ragged on for saying it, but I don’t think the infection and death rate of this virus warrants fully shutting down forever (forever being until a vaccine, hopefully), that also doesn’t mean I’d like to see us packing office buildings, churches, casinos, clubs, concerts and amusement parks, etc like it’s summer 2019.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

 

[greenvale]

Legit question, to the countries that have slowed the spread, are they still on lockdown or is life back to "normal" except with required masks and socially distanced services and of course limitations on "high risk" activities e.g. concerts, sporting events?

My belief would be that as countries lift lockdowns, cases should go back out, with or without masks, although masks will slow the transmission. If that's the case, what should be the strategy moving forward (outside of mask wearing and socially distancing).

It depends on the countries but none are back to "normal" if that means day to day being like it was in Jan 2020 other than maybe New Zealand. What you're missing here when comparing the US to other countries is proper contact tracing. The countries that have opened up quickly react to any outbreaks and generally do a good job of sealing off the infected and appropriately monitor potential infections. We don't do an acceptable/appropiate level of contact tracing, and at this point it's kind of useless because the whole country is in an "outbreak" stage and people don't want to use Apple and Google's co-developed solution because of "muh freedoms". Not to mention people here are incentivized to lie about their symptoms bc they could potentially be out of work and thus insurance if they're positive.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Speaking of contact tracing, I was pleasantly surprised the nail salon I went to on Sunday was doing it. Took your temp, had you record it, your name, signature, phone number and date of visit.

 

[Liu Kang]

Legit question, to the countries that have slowed the spread, are they still on lockdown or is life back to "normal" except with required masks and socially distanced services and of course limitations on "high risk" activities e.g. concerts, sporting events?

My belief would be that as countries lift lockdowns, cases should go back out, with or without masks, although masks will slow the transmission. If that's the case, what should be the strategy moving forward (outside of mask wearing and socially distancing).

In France, life is back to almost normal except for masks/hydro gels at every entrances. Where I live, there are people who don't mask up but a huge majority is. I was shopping today and I could see that 95% were masked up. But I know for a fact that in Paris there are plenty of people who don't care anymore since lockdown eased up in May and you can see many maskless people on terraces, parks, bars and all

We did have a "hard" lockdown from mid-March to early May but it was already late as the cases were already soaring but unlike the US, our government efficiently supported companies so nobody would be laid off.

The plan was simple and was that if lockdown caused loss of activity (partial or full), the government would cover 100% of the non working hours for the companies. They basically had that plan tailored for a whole 6 months garanteed just in case. In my job, we worked remote and at 50% from April on and I didnt lose any wages. However since June the plan has changed a bit and they now cover onlt 80% of the non working hours. Mostly because work is now almost fully back on so only companies like mine who want to leech of governmental help to the max are impacted.

Re : sport events, I read that they are back next months at 50% attendance. Dont think its a good idea but we'll see.
Ultimately lockdowns were necessary because we didnt have PPE reserves so all masks, gels, alcool and stuff were only sold to health professionals. Now that we stocked up and flattened the curve, lockdown is not necessary but that is only if we mask up and social distance properly. But in the West, masking up is not really ingrained in us as it is in Japan or SoKorea. This is at least a good lesson that we can learn hopefully.

Im still expecting a second wave in September because summer fukkery will happen but at least we managed to mitigate the thing enough so nurses and doctors got some well deserved rest and didnt burn out.

 

[the cac mamba]

yo honestly, dr fauci is a fukkin p*ssy. at this point he's actually doing the country a disservice by remaining in this position, beholden to trump

he's 79 years old, he doesnt need a fukking job. he needs to quit the white house, tell the country explicitly that he quit because trump is incompetent and lying about this disease, and then just start speaking out independently on every news channel

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Talented culture vulture got bars

 

[Hood Critic]

Agree. IMO, social distance, masks, and limiting capacity is pretty much all we can do if there is a desire to have things open. Otherwise it doesn’t matter if everyone shuts down and for the same amount of time, when it does open up, cases will go up.

I’m ragged on for saying it, but I don’t think the infection and death rate of this virus warrants fully shutting down forever (forever being until a vaccine, hopefully), that also doesn’t mean I’d like to see us packing office buildings, churches, casinos, clubs, concerts and amusement parks, etc like it’s summer 2019.

That's the catch 22, how to quantify who should be where in a safe number. There is no blanket number that fits all purposes, Americans have proven to not be on the same page and worst yet, there is no real way to enforce rules, counts, etc.

That is why lock down will always be the fallback because its easier to coordinate, manage and enforce.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Speaking of contact tracing, I was pleasantly surprised the nail salon I went to on Sunday was doing it. Took your temp, had you record it, your name, signature, phone number and date of visit.

Everybody and they mama should've been doing that shyt since day one of the re-opening. It's too late for contact tracing.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That's the catch 22, how to quantify who should be where in a safe number. There is no blanket number that fits all purposes, Americans have proven to not be on the same page and worst yet, there is no real way to enforce rules, counts, etc.

That is why lock down will always be the fallback because its easier to coordinate, manage and enforce.

x # of people per sq ft of space indoors is a bare minimum guidance/regulation that can be placed on businesses. Out here, we have lines for shyt like the grocery store and target because they are only letting in a limited # of people, replicate that for all retail. Places where gyms opened back up, the big chains have moved to reservations to limit the number of people. Restaurants are pretty highly regulated and checked on pretty frequently by the health board, don’t clear a spot to open at all until x # of table tops have been removed and/or placed out doors. most white collar workers aren’t going back to the office this year that limits people in office buildings.


There has been tons of guidance given for operating, and what’s most feasible are reciprocal states coming together to agree on standards as I know the whole US won’t. But if ca-or-wa, ny-nj-ct-pa, il-mi-wi-mn, etc set up coordinated efforts, it’s a way to start coordinating some large blocks of compliance. As for enforcement, unfortunately that’s a cultural thing which is why super blocs makes sense to me, people are snitching on businesses left and right out here (I read threads daily on the Oakland and Bay Area subreddits about people reporting businesses) so yea, a lot of the enforcement will have to come from citizens