Companies hoarding more cash than ever before

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Companies hoarding more cash than ever before

NEW YORK -- The economy may be improving, but many U.S. companies are still hanging on to record amounts of cash, something they usually do in times of economic turmoil.

U.S. companies held $1.45 trillion in cash in 2012, up 10% from the $1.32 trillion they held in 2011 -- which at that time was a record level, according to a new report from Moody's Investors Service.

Apple is sitting on $137 billion in cash, a fact not lost on investors, who have sued in an effort to get Apple to give some of that cash to shareholders. The iPhone maker contributes to the whopping $556 billion in cash that the technology sector holds currently. Microsoft, Cisco and Google also have big piles of cash.

Dell has also come under fire for hoarding cash, with activist investor Carl Icahn taking a big stake in the company in an effort to get more of the company's cash to investors.

It's not just technology companies that have a lot of cash on their books. Healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy and consumer products companies, when added to technology, have $990 billion in cash, Moody's says.

While investors are clamoring to get some shares of the cash, governments have another desire for companies' giant hoards of cash. Much of it sits abroad, meaning it can't be taxed, a frustration to a government facing its own cash flow problems. Moody's estimates that 68% of the $1.32 trillion in cash is held overseas.

Companies hold cash overseas when they do business there. It's advantageous for them to do so because they can avoid being taxed, and can avoid giving much of it back to shareholders. They can also spend it on acquisitions and mergers overseas, growing their presence there.

"The amount overseas reflects the relative strength of most emerging market economies over the last few years, the negative tax consequences of permanently repatriating money to the U.S., and the domestic use of cash for dividends, share buybacks, and the majority of acquisitions," says Richard Lane, the Moody's senior vice president who wrote the report.

One thing that isn't being mentioned currently: using cash to hire more people. Companies have gotten more efficient during the recession, and are able to do more with fewer workers. Profit per employee has grown from $15,973.05 in 2005 to $19,496.49 last year, a 22% increase, according to data analysis company Sageworks. Profit per employee measures how much profit a company makes, divided by the number of employees they have.

Still, Moody's says, hoarding cash can be a smart thing when the market is uncertain, and when srong consumer spending is not a sure thing.

Companies hoarding more cash than ever before - latimes.com


So, yeah, it looks like a lot of companies are just sitting on their cash and not investing it. In fact they're just holding cash overseas (to avoid paying taxes) and not doing anything with it. All this hoarding is, of course, bad for the economy as a whole. Obviously it would be beneficial if we could somehow reverse this trend and maybe get them to spend on, say, hiring people. Or at the very least, having the cash here so it can be taxed and flowing through the economy.

Is there a way to encourage companies to stop hoarding cash overseas? Should the government even get involved in that at all, or should we just leave it to the free market?

Looking for some opinions on this. :ld:
 

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Maybe we should lower some taxes some more so those poor poor companies won't go broke and then maybe they'll be able to hire some more people.

It's the taxes...they're KILLNG the corporations...the lifeblood of our Republic :sadcam:
 

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Personally that's being greedy . They should spend the money to hire people And pay them more than minimum wage . That way those people which are hired will spend their paychecks which support the US economy .
 

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:sitdown: I dont blame them..the problem isnt the economy..its the state

People who dont get economics will see the companies as greedy hoarders but ask yourself dont you think they would prefer to reinvest and make even more cash??

Why arent they?? Because nobody is sure what the govt will do in the next few years.
 

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:sitdown: I dont blame them..the problem isnt the economy..its the state

People who dont get economics will see the companies as greedy hoarders but ask yourself dont you think they would prefer to reinvest and make even more cash??

Why arent they?? Because nobody is sure what the govt will do in the next few years.

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I don't blame them either That's their function and purpose TO MAKE AND KEEP MONEY.

What would be sick is if taxes were based on how many full time people you had on your payroll.
 

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This is why capitalism as we know it has to end. The government DOES need to intervene.
 

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In a situation where rates are zero, and changes in interest rates don't affect spending, short-term government bonds are as good as cash.

A government with any balls would just auction more debt, encourage the corporations to buy it, take all of those reserves and throw them at highway infrastructure/power grids, etc.

Unfortunately, we missed our political window of opportunity in 2009, and now we're stuck with this.
 

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:sitdown: I dont blame them..the problem isnt the economy..its the state

People who dont get economics will see the companies as greedy hoarders but ask yourself dont you think they would prefer to reinvest and make even more cash??

Why arent they?? Because nobody is sure what the govt will do in the next few years.

Eh, I don't think it's just a matter of what the govt does though.

The real problem is that the recession has made companies increasingly risk-averse. They're scared to take any sort of chance on anything so they just sit on cash. Plus they learned how to get by with fewer people, so even when they have the money they aren't hiring people back that got laid off in the recession.
 

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Eh, I don't think it's just a matter of what the govt does though.

The real problem is that the recession has made companies increasingly risk-averse. They're scared to take any sort of chance on anything so they just sit on cash. Plus they learned how to get by with fewer people, so even when they have the money they aren't hiring people back that got laid off in the recession.

:ufdup: Business is all about taking chances..Nobody risk adverse ever starts or makes it business..

The problem is calculating those risks...for example i know my customers,suppliers,vendors,financers very well..i can anticipate what theyll do if i raised my prices or offered a new product....the one thing i cant calculate for is the Govt

..i could launch something tommorrow then they Ban it,Regulate and Tax me into unprofitability and theres nothing i can do about it..and these are things the state changes on a whim..depending on who is in charge

Obamacare has employers wondering if they should take on more employees..they want to because they want to grow and make money but if a year or two from now theyre forced to lay them all off because they cant afford an increase in benefits cost how does that help anyone?
 
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