Columbia University? Who the hell wants to go to that unranked school? U.S news stupidity continues as Columbia University enters the list of unranked

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Columbia Loses Its No. 2 Spot in the U.S. News Rankings​

U.S. News & World Report announced that it had “unranked” the Ivy League university after being unable to verify its data.
July 8, 2022
What is the equivalent of “disbarred” or “defrocked” in the world of college rankings?

Without fanfare, U.S. News & World Report announced that it had “unranked” Columbia University, which had been in a three-way tie for the No. 2 spot in the 2022 edition of Best Colleges, after being unable to verify the underlying data submitted by the university.
The decision was posted on the U.S. News website a week after Columbia said it was withdrawing from the upcoming 2023 rankings.

The Ivy League university said then that it would not participate in the next rankings because it was investigating accusations by one of its own mathematics professorsthat the No. 2 ranking was based on inaccurate and misleading data.

The biggest beneficiaries may be Harvard and M.I.T., which had shared the second spot with Columbia, and now have one less competitor. Princeton keeps its preening rights as No. 1.
The rankings are influential among students applying to college because objectively comparing schools and visiting every campus they are interested in can be difficult. College presidents have bitterly complained that the rankings are misleading, yet few institutions have dropped out of the game.

“I had hoped, still hope, that this episode would bring much more attention to the foibles and the failures of the ranking system,” said Colin Diver, the former president of Reed College, who has written a book, “Breaking Ranks,” about the college ranking industry. “Unfortunately, most of higher education, especially the elite part, publicly criticizes the rankings right and left, and yet they cooperate with them.”

The formula’s rankings tend to cement the established reputations of the schools, Mr. Diver said.
In its blog post on Thursday, U.S. News said that after learning of the criticism in March, it had asked Columbia to substantiate the data it had reported, including information about the number of instructional full-time and part-time faculty, the number of full-time faculty with the highest degree in their field, the student-faculty ratio, undergraduate class size and education expenditures.

“To date, Columbia has been unable to provide satisfactory responses to the information U.S. News requested,” the post said.
Robert Morse, chief data strategist at U.S. News, wrote in an email on Friday that Columbia was no longer ranked in several categories — 2022 National Universities, 2022 Best Value Schools, and 2022 Top Performers on Social Mobility — because those rankings used data from the university’s statistical surveys. The organization has unranked universities before, he said.

Columbia had originally defended its statistics, but said in a statement on Friday that it “takes seriously the questions raised about our data submission,” and that it would not submit further “undergraduate-related information” to U.S. News while its own investigation was underway.

“A thorough review cannot be rushed,” the university wrote. “While we are disappointed in U.S. News & World Report’s decision, we consider this a matter of integrity and will take no shortcuts in getting it right.”

U.S. News has acknowledged that it relies on universities to vet their submitted data, which can be extensive, and that it does not have the resources to conduct independent audits. But the decision to remove Columbia from the current rankings once again raised questions about their overall accuracy.

In a separate blog post, Mr. Morse said that U.S. News publishes annual rankings for more than 11,500 schools and hundreds of individual programs. Typically, less than 0.1 percent a year inform U.S. News that they have misreported data, he said.

He provided a list of several dozen schoolsthat had admitted misreporting data since 2019, and had been suspended a year for their candor.

Michael Thaddeus, the math professor who first raised questions about Columbia’s data on his webpage in February, said the news pointed to the flaws of a rankings system that did not independently vet the data behind it.

“What is clear is there’s no third-party vetting,” Dr. Thaddeus said. “At some point there has to be third-party auditing since these data are so important and so many people are making final decisions based upon the data. It won’t do to say these data are self-reported and there’s no way to check them.”

U.S. News did nod to the critics in its post about Columbia this week. “We continue to be concerned and are reviewing various options to ensure our rankings continue to uphold the highest levels of integrity,” it said.

Mr. Diver said it was standard practice for U.S. News to suspend schools for cheating or misreporting rankings data. But he said that usually happened when the school had admitted to misreporting or there was some kind of independent verification. “I assume they chose to do this because there were credible charges made that they had inflated that data on these different measures,” he said.

The president of Princeton, Christopher Eisgruber, wrote an opinion piece in The Washington Post in October in which he said that although Princeton had topped the U.S. News rankings for 11 years, he was not a fan of the list.

“I am convinced that the rankings game is a bit of mishegoss — a slightly daft obsession that does harm when colleges, parents or students take it too seriously,” he wrote. Because students felt pressure to get into high-ranked schools, he said, schools concentrated resources on moving up in the rankings, to the detriment of goals like admitting more talented low-income students.


:martin: Really? Columbia University Unranked? That shyt don’t make any sense.
 
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US News and World Reports is a shytty 3rd-rate paper that would have been bushed years ago if they didn't publish college rankings. Their rankings are legit terrible, based on arbitrary or misleading bullshyt that has nothing to do with how strong an education you will actually get at the school. And their stupid system has been a significant contributor to the rise in cost of college education cause universities are spending millions of dollars on measures to try to game the rankings and get a higher position, so students will be more likely to apply and more willing to pay more, rather than actually improving the quality of the college education.





"Weapons of Math Destruction" does a good job of talking about how much damage the rankings have done.





I'm curious about a higher education example you talk about in your book. The US News and World Report’s college rankings, which a lot of people in the higher ed world have complained about for a while, still looms large. I guess, what are your issues with the rankings, and what are your recommendations for improving or replacing them?

The US News and World Report college ranking algorithm is really old and really horrible. It's horrible because it's super gameable, and college administrators have perverted the concept of college itself, I would argue, in order to boost their ranking in that list. I blame parents, too, because they are the ones that care so much about the ranking of their children's school. It has just been given this absolutely outsized power by society. And the worst part of it is it actually doesn't care about one of the most important things: Namely, price. The result has been that administrators, in their attempts to boost their rankings, have ignored tuition costs. Therefore, they've done really expensive things that has raised tuition for people without actually improving education.

What I'd like to see done about it is for people to stop looking at lists.
 

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Good video explaining the scam of school rankings.

Universities rely international (Chinese) students for money because of higher tuitions, Chinese students rely on rankings since they don't have a better way to assess school reputation from abroad, But school rankings themselves heavily consider proportion of international students that attend the school, the more international student the better the ranking.

 
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Good video explaining the scam of school rankings.

Universities rely international (Chinese) students for money because of higher tuitions, Chinese students rely on rankings since they don't have a better way to assess school reputation from abroad, But school rankings themselves heavily consider proportion of international students that attend the school, the more international student the better the ranking.


And international students don't qualify for US federal loan programs, so they come out of pocket for tuition.
 

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They deserved to not be ranked.. When you let it an entitled shyt head like Meagan McCain because of who her father is and not for her grades then you bush any prestige you once had
 
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