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Why isn't there any protests in western capitals about this? I guess there are no Jews involved?
100s of thousands will be dead after all this is over and no one will care.
We've seen this 'movie' before
 

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I'm confused. Are you saying Muslims killing Muslims in Sudan is the fault of the Jews?
Is that the position that you're taking? Are you for real?
That's what you're saying.

I'm not saying that.

I find it interesting how Israel has a relationship with one faction.
 

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That's what you're saying.

I'm not saying that.

I find it interesting how Israel has a relationship with one faction.
So then let's go back to my previous question.
Why aren't there mass protests of Muslims killing Muslims by the thousands and displacing millions in the Sudan?
 

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So then let's go back to my previous question.
Why aren't there mass protests of Muslims killing Muslims by the thousands and displacing millions in the Sudan?
In DC and NYC, there have been big protests about Sudan. We have a big Sudanese community here so since April, it has been in our local consciousness. The media hasn't covered it, that's number one. Could there be a better attention raised? Absolutely. But Sudanis are working hard to put the war out there. And it isn't a conflict that is completely ignored.

But to answer the question there are several sad reasons. And its similar to Yemen, Congo, Somalia, etc. There's been a history of civil war there and this seems to be the next saga post-Bashir and the opportunity for civilian rule seems lost again for a generation. Remember, Sudan has had over a dozen military coups since the 1950s.

Looking at Sudan, it's effectively a civil war between two Sudanese generals, with involvement from UAE and Egypt; so all the actors here are fukked up.. We have external forces crossing the Sudanese border to loot, rape and wage war inside with external governments supplying these mercenaries with ammunition, foodstuffs and political cover. UAE, Chad, Niger, CAF, Ethiopia, South Sudan, Haftar and their involvement in aiding the RSF.

Secondly, while the death toll in Sudan is between 8,000-10,000 over the last eight months with over 5.5 million displaced internally is terrible. The Sudanese people are in a large country able to flee though and God willing will be able to return to their homes. Rebuilding livelihoods lost and things like property is a big problem. I’ve heard horror stories from friends.

Gazans can't flee and are being killed at a crazier rate with double the people killed by the IDF in two months. With indiscriminate bombing from the air force of Israel. If they were able to go across the border, it's highly likely they will never be able to return with the IDF already planting flags for settlements in northern Gaza.

Lastly, you Israelis need to realize we're not drawn by some mysterious, everlasting latent Jew-hating. There's a universal concern human rights and honest moral revulsion against a nuclear power living on apartheid-occupation incidentally fueled by billions of our own, American taxpayer dollars. Over the last couple of decades we've seen people become more educated on this at schools, universities, etc. This has been a big development. Obviously the left wing activists in the USA are pro-Palestinian and the movement has been able to get in there. Especially with the end of apartheid in South Africa.

Sudan's war is only going to end through negotiation and the outside powers stopping the tap of arms. Sudan doesn't need another two decade civil war. It's gone through enough.
 

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Why isn't there any protests in western capitals about this? I guess there are no Jews involved?
100s of thousands will be dead after all this is over and no one will care.
We've seen this 'movie' before
i can imagine the fact that the western material and political support that implicates us in israeli crimes against humanity is not nearly as obviously apparent in this case. so, westerners feel a sense of ownership of israel/palestine outcomes. also, the israel/palestine conflict has been a political topic for decades in the west and only recently broke in the direction of widespread western acknowledgement of palestinian humanity and deservingness of life and rights. it was a long journey.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on top of everything @FAH1223 said, the US is also not openly complicit in the atrocities in Sudan like we are in Gaza, and in fact have condemned both sides and refused to provide arms to anyone in the conflict. What would people protest our government for? Other than raising awareness, or taking up a mediator role to push for peace, there's not really a part the US has to play in this.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not as knowledgeable about Sudan.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on top of everything @FAH1223 said, the US is also not openly complicit in the atrocities in Sudan like we are in Gaza, and in fact have condemned both sides and refused to provide arms to anyone in the conflict. What would people protest our government for? Other than raising awareness, or taking up a mediator role to push for peace, there's not really a part the US has to play in this.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not as knowledgeable about Sudan.
Nah creh. We’ve been funneling arms in to Sudan too :mjlol:
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on top of everything @FAH1223 said, the US is also not openly complicit in the atrocities in Sudan like we are in Gaza, and in fact have condemned both sides and refused to provide arms to anyone in the conflict. What would people protest our government for? Other than raising awareness, or taking up a mediator role to push for peace, there's not really a part the US has to play in this.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not as knowledgeable about Sudan.
Very few of the weaponry used by the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) are from the U.S. They are using Russian, Chinese, and Iranian equipment. Whatever is American they've gotten via Egypt.

The RSF has been getting weapons from the UAE. And the Wagner Group (Russian) has been sending their weapons and mercenaries to Sudan.

Why is everyone supporting the RSF (it seems)? Has anyone addressed the clear anti-African hate the RSF has shown?
It's cause of the pull the Dagalo family has with their $$$ and resources.
The RSF wants to create and maintain linkages across Africa. The core tribe of RSF have always been nomads who have established settlements in various areas across Chad, Libya, Niger, Sudan, Central African Republic (CAR). They rear animals and their presence often leads to conflicts with indigenous communities, earning them a reputation as bandits and aggressors. Omar Bashir used them to maintain the western border of Sudan in his control. They settle their tribes there and have done forced displacement of groups like the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghwa peoples.

These guys are also moved into Khartoum, burned the Sudanese national archives, and tried to destroy Sudanese history. They want to start from scratch.

In 2019, Hemedti ascended to power within the RSF leadership and strategically supported the rise of Mohammed Bazoum (gave him like $20M), a fellow member of the same tribe, to the presidency of Niger. Bazoum, once in power, provided military support to Hemedti, aiding in the RSF's efforts to assert control over Sudan during the initial stages of the conflict. However, Bazoum himself faced political challenges and was eventually ousted from office in a coup earlier this year.

The UAE backs them and Hemedti has smuggled them gold from the mines he controls. Hes given them investments in minerals and agriculture that the Sudanese don't have access to. The RSF are making a fortune as the middle-men giving away Africa's prime resources. The RSF has cut the red tape and the sneakiness of neocolonialism. They are giving raw resources as part of their project for power.

The UAE has been basically trying to buy off every country that borders Sudan. Eritrea is the one I don't think the charm offensive has worked on yet. Burhan and SAF allege that Kenya is tactically supporting the RSF and a third country has bought them off. You can piece together who that may be.

Speaking of Israel, Burhan and Hemedti already agreed on initial basis for joining the Abraham Accords. Israel wants access to those resources too and they've been working with the UAE closely.

Saudi and Egypt support Burhan and SAF. Saudi held peace talks in Jeddah between SAF and RSF a couple months ago.
 

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Omar Bashir used them to maintain the western border of Sudan in his control. They settle their tribes there and have done forced displacement of groups like the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghwa peoples.


I remember them from the earlier Darfur massacres, they've been in a hard spot for a long time. :mjcry:
 
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