Can We Talk NFL Head Coaching, QBs and Nick Saban?

[CrimsonTider]

Was Nick Saban ahead of the curve? Does he deserve more credit for leaving Miami when he did?

When Saban realized he picked the wrong Free Agent QB (Brees vs. Dante) he left because he came to the conclusion unless you have great QB play you are going to get fired in the NFL

I just find it crazy that Wisenhunt, Reid, Crennel, Shurmur, and Lovie get fired when there QBs have horrible years.

No one ever gets fired when there QB IS playing at a high level.

With this information, How the hell does coaching matter in the NFL?


Everyone said Rivera needed to be fired at the beginning of the season. Then Cam Newton goes off at the end of the season finishing with like 10 tds- 1 INT and he keeps his job

Did he become a better coach?

John Fox? A genius when Delhomme was good, Fired when Delhomme was bad and now he sitting pretty that Peyton is the QB of his team

Someone make sense of this for me.

Note: I know there are exceptions to the rule.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Everybody neg this fool for pretending like this bullshyt thread ISNT just another excuse to talk about alabama football.

 

[I'm Chillin]

Rivera still needs to be fired

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Unrelated but why can't Saban find top tier QBs at Bama when he has unlimited resources and every advantage?

 

[havoc00]

Jim Zorn was ahead of his time

 

[mastermind]

Jim Zorn was ahead of his time



Redskins Fail - YouTube

how Zorn wasnt fired at halftime

how Danny Smith still has a job with the Redskins.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Everybody neg this fool for pretending like this bullshyt thread ISNT just another excuse to talk about alabama football.

This thread obviously has nothing to do with Bama.

I can make a thread about Bama if you want me to.

Unrelated but why can't Saban find top tier QBs at Bama when he has unlimited resources and every advantage?

You don't need a great QB IN COLLEGE because you can still put points on the board by running the ball.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Rivera still needs to be fired

That maybe true, but as long as Cam is ballin he will have a job.

I just want someone to make sense of this instead of trolling my thread.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Bad GM or bad QB can kill a coach...it is what it is

 

[Stone]

It's not enough to say "well he got fired because he doesn't have a good QB".

How and why did the QB have a bad year? Why can some franchises like Houston and SF win even though Schaub and Alex Smith were mediocre at best? I don't think it's a coincidence that Sean Payton misses the year and NO subsequently has a down year. Hell Chicago still won 10 games even though Cutler apparently didn't have that great of a year.

Head coaches are also partly responsible for the hiring coordinators, which in turn has an effect on how their team plays. They get fired because they have the most direct impact on how their team plays. Other things like game management and having your team prepared to play every week come into play. How many times do you see a led team come out completely unprepared?

You can talk all day about what guys like Peyton, Brady and Rodgers are doing but the reality is guys like that don't come around very often. Even if you have a guy like that, you have to have the right situation like that to succeed. Put Manning and Brady in Arizona and Detroit and the story about their careers changes drastically.

 

[CrimsonTider]

It's not enough to say "well he got fired because he doesn't have a good QB".

How and why did the QB have a bad year? Why can some franchises like Houston and SF win even though Schaub and Alex Smith were mediocre at best? I don't think it's a coincidence that Sean Payton misses the year and NO subsequently has a down year. Hell Chicago still won 10 games even though Cutler apparently didn't have that great of a year.

Head coaches are also partly responsible for the hiring coordinators, which in turn has an effect on how their team plays. They get fired because they have the most direct impact on how their team plays. Other things like game management and having your team prepared to play every week come into play. How many times do you see a led team come out completely unprepared?

You can talk all day about what guys like Peyton, Brady and Rodgers are doing but the reality is guys like that don't come around very often. Even if you have a guy like that, you have to have the right situation like that to succeed. Put Manning and Brady in Arizona and Detroit and the story about their careers changes drastically.

Brees led the NFL in TDs, NO was Second in total offense and 3rd in PPG. To act like Sean Peyton who calls the plays and is in Total control of the Offense would have a made a difference is just being silly.

They were also Last in Defense. Peyton presense would not have changed a thing.

Schaub and Alex Smith made the playoffs, If you make the postseason you are not getting fired.

Smith has gotten plenty of Coaches fired with garbage play.

Peyton not being on the Colts already got a coach fired and he went to Denver and dominated the Regular season.

 

[Stone]

Brees led the NFL in TDs, NO was Second in total offense and 3rd in PPG. To act like Sean Peyton who calls the plays and is in Total control of the Offense would have a made a difference is just being silly.

They were also Last in Defense. Peyton presense would not have changed a thing.

Schaub and Alex Smith made the playoffs, If you make the postseason you are not getting fired.

Smith has gotten plenty of Coaches fired with garbage play.

Peyton not being on the Colts already got a coach fired and he went to Denver and dominated the Regular season.

1. Brees also was among the league leaders in turnovers. And he's a known stat padder, this year wasn't that great for him.

2. Why do you think Smith and Schaub made the playoffs? it certainly wasn't because they set the world on fire through the air. Why does Alex Smith finally after all of these years look like a competent QB?

3. Jim Caldwell got fired because the organization was looking to start over fresh. He also not very good at his job, he was only hired in the first place because Dungy set up a deal where he could choose his successor. Also, Indy probably didn't think it'd be good to shake up things while Manning was still in his prime. If they brought Manning back, he'd be back. In fact, that was the first sign that they probably weren't gonna keep him(Manning).

4. Like I said in the post before, guys like Peyton manning don't come around too often.

 

[CrimsonTider]

It's not enough to say "well he got fired because he doesn't have a good QB".

How and why did the QB have a bad year? Why can some franchises like Houston and SF win even though Schaub and Alex Smith were mediocre at best? I don't think it's a coincidence that Sean Payton misses the year and NO subsequently has a down year. Hell Chicago still won 10 games even though Cutler apparently didn't have that great of a year.

Head coaches are also partly responsible for the hiring coordinators, which in turn has an effect on how their team plays. They get fired because they have the most direct impact on how their team plays. Other things like game management and having your team prepared to play every week come into play. How many times do you see a led team come out completely unprepared?

You can talk all day about what guys like Peyton, Brady and Rodgers are doing but the reality is guys like that don't come around very often. Even if you have a guy like that, you have to have the right situation like that to succeed. Put Manning and Brady in Arizona and Detroit and the story about their careers changes drastically.

1. Brees also was among the league leaders in turnovers. And he's a known stat padder, this year wasn't that great for him.

2. Why do you think Smith and Schaub made the playoffs? it certainly wasn't because they set the world on fire through the air. Why does Alex Smith finally after all of these years look like a competent QB?



3. Jim Caldwell got fired because the organization was looking to start over fresh. He also not very good at his job, he was only hired in the first place because Dungy set up a deal where he could choose his successor. Also, Indy probably didn't think it'd be good to shake up things while Manning was still in his prime.

1. Brees has always had alot of Turnovers. 14 in 2011 and 22 in 2010.

2.Since I already conceded there are exceptions to the rule, I won't argue this. Because my larger point still stands

3. Caldwell made it the SB same shyt John Fox did and its a lot better than some of these other retread coaches.

 

[Stone]

1. Brees has always had alot of Turnovers. 14 in 2011 and 22 in 2010.

2.Since I already conceded there are exceptions to the rule, I won't argue this. Because my larger point still stands

3. Caldwell made it the SB same shyt John Fox did and its a lot better than some of these other retread coaches.

You're wrong about Sean Payton not having any control over the defense because he's partly responsible for hiring the guy that is. Saints were 13th in scoring last year and 7th in scoring in 2010. In 2009 they were 20th but they still forced alot of turnovers.

This past year, they were 31st.

Brees did have alot of turnovers those years, but the D was better because what? Among other things...Coaching

Also teams don't just go from playing in the Super Bowl to winning 2 games. I don't care how bad your QB is. Because coaches are also in part responsible for how good or bad the QBs turn out and how adept they are at placing said QBs into good situations where they can succeed.

An example being doing what he did with Matt Cassell. You can go on and on about the schedule but 11 games is 11 games. Look at what Cassell ended up doing in KC, one good year in a division that's probably the weakest in a conference that's become the weaker of the two by a good margin.

 

[CrimsonTider]

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