can we talk about 2pac's pessimistic attitude?

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"we're not ready to see a black president"

"that's the way it is, things will never change"

:why:

what a dumb ass

just complaining offering no solutions. well guess what pac... :ufdup:

change happened
 

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:pacspit: at you

And FTR other than the black president line, the rest of that song "Changes" still holds true today.


He offered solutions on "Keep your head up" :sitdown:
 

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"we're not ready to see a black president"

"that's the way it is, things will never change"

:why:

what a dumb ass

just complaining offering no solutions. well guess what pac... :ufdup:

change happened

:snoop: Nas (or his producer) completely misrepresented Pac's message on Black President.


You're missing the point Pac tried to make. It's not that he was saying there wouldn't be a black president. He was saying it wouldn't be right as long as black people are still treated unfairly overall by the justice system.

"And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black president
It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact
The penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks''

Note how the bolded describes perfectly the false sense of euphoria when Obama was elected like everything would be all right from now on. The line is more relevant than ever. People stay misrepresenting Pac in the media though, even Nas (smh).

That's the difference between Pac's social commentary, and Nas' social commentary too. Nas looks at the surface and gets caught up in the hype while Pac was more militant and critical of political leadership. Though to be fair to Nas, he kind of points to Pac's real meaning of the lyric with the way he end his second verse and lets it lead into the chorus.
 

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:snoop: Nas (or his producer) completely misrepresented Pac's message on Black President.


You're missing the point Pac tried to make. It's not that he was saying there wouldn't be a black president. He was saying it wouldn't be right as long as black people are still treated unfairly overall by the justice system.

"And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black president
It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact
The penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks''

Note how the bolded describes perfectly the false sense of euphoria when Obama was elected like everything would be all right from now on. The line is more relevant than ever. People stay misrepresenting Pac in the media though, even Nas (smh).

That's the difference between Pac's social commentary, and Nas' social commentary too. Nas looks at the surface and gets caught up in the hype while Pac was more militant and critical of political leadership. Though to be fair to Nas, he kind of points to Pac's real meaning of the lyric with the way he end his second verse and lets it lead into the chorus.

you obviously didn't actually listen to Black President. the whole thing was about being critical, about not blindly following and losing site of whats going on in the ghettos of america. It was both hopeful and optimistic but at the same time still critical. the exact points you say pac was making, nas was also making. maybe it just went over your head.

"They forgot us on the block, got us in the box
Solitary confinement: how violent are these cops?
They need a early retirement
How many rallies will I watch? I ain't got it in me to march
I got a Semi to spark, the game's in a drought
Public housing, projects, cooking up in the Pyrex
My set, my clique, either getting money
Or running from homicide trail, that's if they ain't died yet"

"So many political snakes
We in need of a break, I'm thinking I can trust this brotha
...but will he keep it way real?
Every innocent nikka in jail gets out on appeal
When he wins, will he really care still?
I feel"

"Nothing on the stove, a survival-booster
Gotta do what we gotta do
We ain't got no governors coming through to help
Anything we need done, gotta do for self
New, improved JFK on the way
It ain't the 60s again, nikkas ain't hippies again
We ain't falling for the same traps
Standing on the balconies where they shot the King at
McCain got apologies; ain't nobody hearing that
People need honesty"
 

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you obviously didn't actually listen to Black President. the whole thing was about being critical, about not blindly following and losing site of whats going on in the ghettos of america. It was both hopeful and optimistic but at the same time still critical. the exact points you say pac was making, nas was also making. maybe it just went over your head.

"They forgot us on the block, got us in the box
Solitary confinement: how violent are these cops?
They need a early retirement
How many rallies will I watch? I ain't got it in me to march
I got a Semi to spark, the game's in a drought
Public housing, projects, cooking up in the Pyrex
My set, my clique, either getting money
Or running from homicide trail, that's if they ain't died yet"

"So many political snakes
We in need of a break, I'm thinking I can trust this brotha
...but will he keep it way real?
Every innocent nikka in jail gets out on appeal
When he wins, will he really care still?
I feel"

"Nothing on the stove, a survival-booster
Gotta do what we gotta do
We ain't got no governors coming through to help
Anything we need done, gotta do for self
New, improved JFK on the way
It ain't the 60s again, nikkas ain't hippies again
We ain't falling for the same traps
Standing on the balconies where they shot the King at
McCain got apologies; ain't nobody hearing that
People need honesty"

Only the second quote refers to the point Pac was making, and that's the end of the second verse which I already stated used the sample more accurately. That last verse is basically Nas saying he hopes Obama is gonna win and that he is the better choice for black America and the problems of the ghetto than McCain. That's exactly the opposite of what Pac was saying again.. Overall, the song still clearly uses the sample in the same way the OP used the line to claim Pac's message is outdated. They obviously contrasted the "We ain't ready, to see a black president" with the "Yes we can, (change the world)'' to make a point. It's a misrepresentation of Pac's original use of the line, except for the end of the second verse, which is quoted above.
 

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:snoop: Nas (or his producer) completely misrepresented Pac's message on Black President.


You're missing the point Pac tried to make. It's not that he was saying there wouldn't be a black president. He was saying it wouldn't be right as long as black people are still treated unfairly overall by the justice system.

"And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black president
It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact
The penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks''

Note how the bolded describes perfectly the false sense of euphoria when Obama was elected like everything would be all right from now on. The line is more relevant than ever. People stay misrepresenting Pac in the media though, even Nas (smh).

That's the difference between Pac's social commentary, and Nas' social commentary too. Nas looks at the surface and gets caught up in the hype while Pac was more militant and critical of political leadership. Though to be fair to Nas, he kind of points to Pac's real meaning of the lyric with the way he end his second verse and lets it lead into the chorus.

I think Green Lantern produced that. Not so great. :childplease:

He wasn't pessimistic so much as fatalistic. One might even say... realistic. :ehh:
 

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Optimism is illogical considering the fact that our sun will one day burn out and Earth will eventually become completely void of life.

These are facts bro, It is intelligent to be pessimistic about everything

:yeshrug:
 

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Shakur said that the same year that Colin Powell would've won if he ran instead of dole

We were ready for a black president at the time, tupac's an idiot
 
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