Building Black Institutions (and keeping them black)

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Watching Umar Johnson's interview, he mentioned "hotep" conscious brothers talking a whole bunch of rhetoric and spreading information but not creating actual institutions. But at the same time how come when it's a black institution being made, we be so inclusionary? On the one hand you have Dr. Umar Johnson claiming black people are afraid of keeping things for us by us, but at the same time he keeps mentioning "black and Latino" or "black and brown" and wanting them to have a culturally relevant education by building his school for them. You saw the same rhetoric with WEB DuBois, with him believing in "people of color". But people of color means what exactly? As much as we are non-white, we don't have the same experiences. We need culturally relevant institutions (especially schools) for black children, not children of color. First of all, many of them have actually taken over in black countries and have been complicit with the marginalization of black people. I'm talking "South Asians" (which he mentioned) in countries like Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, South Africa, then you have "Arabs" in North Africa and even some parts of the Horn of Africa. We all know they're not helpful, I really see them as no different, except for the fact that they have an actual shield for their culture because obviously they haven't been affected by white supremacy in the same way. So if we build institutions, we need to actually think about the concept of a black institution which essentially is for us. With the history of this country, being exclusive to ourselves was a problem, but joining white institutions was also against the law. How do you keep a black institution exclusively black is the question, because with the law, you can't discriminate against people based on religion, race, sexual orientation etc. even though it was a part of the constitution until recent history. And how do we continue the legacy our ancestors and forefathers created of getting educated, and I mean an advanced education, while also fighting white supremacy through building black institutions where we do not have a white overseer. How do we convince our people to fund these programs? Donate to black schools, hospitals, community organizations and grass roots organizations, youth enrichment programs, etc. I mean do we really trust white people with our children, white social workers (which btw requires a Masters and a license), the same white social workers who breached juvenile black and AfroLatino teenagers in NYC, to breach their information in conjunction with the juvenile system, reach out to their parents (who barely had a high school education) to let them test a "revolutionary new therapy". Are our children actually safe around them? I think it's necessary for black institutions to be led by black folks from the top to the bottom, to keep our people safe. The blacks like Eunice Rivers, were used as tools by whites to carry out attacks against our own because they understood that's how you create a level of comfort and safety.
 

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Are our children actually safe around them?

No.

I mean do we really trust white people with our children, white social workers (which btw requires a Masters and a license), the same white social workers who breached juvenile black and AfroLatino teenagers in NYC, to breach their information in conjunction with the juvenile system, reach out to their parents (who barely had a high school education) to let them test a "revolutionary new therapy". Are our children actually safe around them? I think it's necessary for black institutions to be led by black folks from the top to the bottom, to keep our people safe. The blacks like Eunice Rivers, were used as tools by whites to carry out attacks against our own because they understood that's how you create a level of comfort and safety.

I think this is where the real fight is, not giving some guy 2 million dollars to education 500 kids.

I think Umar Johnson could provide very good insight if he would keep that narrow focus, he loses me when he goes into all that other stuff. We have enough "black leaders" peddling that stuff, Umar Johnson is really "next level" when he talks about education. If you know how I know...most black educators (teachers and administrators) don't care about the kids, they only there for the money and status. To them its only a cushy government job.

We need to get the message out. Even in 2015...black parents really do trust the school system (and the political system) cause its filled with friendly white faces. But from experience, you will notice who they nurture and groom for success, while they will let other kids fend for themselves.
 

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ive heard him say in other interviews say a latino is nothing more than a spanish speaking black person...

but you right tho, we got GK butterfield as the head of Congressional Black Caucus...

a "black" man that you would never know is black just by looking at him....



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Watching Umar Johnson's interview, he mentioned "hotep" conscious brothers talking a whole bunch of rhetoric and spreading information but not creating actual institutions. But at the same time how come when it's a black institution being made, we be so inclusionary? On the one hand you have Dr. Umar Johnson claiming black people are afraid of keeping things for us by us, but at the same time he keeps mentioning "black and Latino" or "black and brown" and wanting them to have a culturally relevant education by building his school for them. You saw the same rhetoric with WEB DuBois, with him believing in "people of color". But people of color means what exactly? As much as we are non-white, we don't have the same experiences. We need culturally relevant institutions (especially schools) for black children, not children of color. First of all, many of them have actually taken over in black countries and have been complicit with the marginalization of black people. I'm talking "South Asians" (which he mentioned) in countries like Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, South Africa, then you have "Arabs" in North Africa and even some parts of the Horn of Africa. We all know they're not helpful, I really see them as no different, except for the fact that they have an actual shield for their culture because obviously they haven't been affected by white supremacy in the same way. So if we build institutions, we need to actually think about the concept of a black institution which essentially is for us. With the history of this country, being exclusive to ourselves was a problem, but joining white institutions was also against the law. How do you keep a black institution exclusively black is the question, because with the law, you can't discriminate against people based on religion, race, sexual orientation etc. even though it was a part of the constitution until recent history. And how do we continue the legacy our ancestors and forefathers created of getting educated, and I mean an advanced education, while also fighting white supremacy through building black institutions where we do not have a white overseer. How do we convince our people to fund these programs? Donate to black schools, hospitals, community organizations and grass roots organizations, youth enrichment programs, etc. I mean do we really trust white people with our children, white social workers (which btw requires a Masters and a license), the same white social workers who breached juvenile black and AfroLatino teenagers in NYC, to breach their information in conjunction with the juvenile system, reach out to their parents (who barely had a high school education) to let them test a "revolutionary new therapy". Are our children actually safe around them? I think it's necessary for black institutions to be led by black folks from the top to the bottom, to keep our people safe. The blacks like Eunice Rivers, were used as tools by whites to carry out attacks against our own because they understood that's how you create a level of comfort and safety.
The first step is to have a black insitution that black people have actually made.
 

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I think this is where the real fight is, not giving some guy 2 million dollars to education 500 kids.

I think Umar Johnson could provide very good insight if he would keep that narrow focus, he loses me when he goes into all that other stuff. We have enough "black leaders" peddling that stuff, Umar Johnson is really "next level" when he talks about education. If you know how I know...most black educators (teachers and administrators) don't care about the kids, they only there for the money and status. To them its only a cushy government job.

We need to get the message out. Even in 2015...black parents really do trust the school system (and the political system) cause its filled with friendly white faces. But from experience, you will notice who they nurture and groom for success, while they will let other kids fend for themselves.

Everybody is looking out for themselves, there's money to be made and they're relying on grants and grant making. I'm a freelance grant writer so I understand the game. But at the same time, because federal dollars are pouring in and have been, can we even really trust these black figureheads in white institutions? Black figureheads that are only there to basically grant fund? Look at the Commission they created that tried to look at all of the faults and try to bring charges against those involved in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, they had how many black folks in it? Black men? That was working for the federal government that basically carried out that study?

If we're going to create organizations that rely on funding then we must rely on ourselves and write those checks and make those donations, so we know who to hold accountable when shyt happens and take care of ourselves.

The first step is to have a black insitution that black people have actually made.

Tuskegee Institute by Booker T Washington for instance.
 

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Everybody is looking out for themselves, there's money to be made and they're relying on grants and grant making. I'm a freelance grant writer so I understand the game. But at the same time, because federal dollars are pouring in and have been, can we even really trust these black figureheads in white institutions? Black figureheads that are only there to basically grant fund? Look at the Commission they created that tried to look at all of the faults and try to bring charges against those involved in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, they had how many black folks in it? Black men? That was working for the federal government that basically carried out that study?

If we're going to create organizations that rely on funding then we must rely on ourselves and write those checks and make those donations, so we know who to hold accountable when shyt happens and take care of ourselves.



Tuskegee Institute by Booker T Washington for instance.
Lets get another 5-10 of those. Basically if Umar Johnson was someone notable among black people, hes on the right path in terms of funding. To bad hes not notable


History[edit]
Planning and establishment[edit]

History class at Tuskegee, 1902
The school was founded on July 4, 1881, as the Tuskegee Normal School for Colored Teachers. It was part of the expansion of higher education for blacks in the former Confederate states following the American Civil War, with many schools founded by the northern American Missionary Association. A teachers' school was the dream of Lewis Adams, a former slave, and George W. Campbell, a banker, merchant, and former slaveholder, who shared a commitment to the education of blacks. Despite lacking formal education, Adams could read, write, and speak several languages. He was an experienced tinsmith, harness-maker, and shoemaker and was a Prince Hall Freemason, an acknowledged leader of the African-American community in Macon County, Alabama.

Adams and Campbell had secured $2,000 from the State of Alabama for teachers' salaries but nothing for land, buildings, or equipment. Adams, Campbell (replacing Thomas Dryer, who died after his appointment), and M. B. Swanson formed Tuskegee's first board of commissioners. Campbell wrote to the Hampton Institute, a historically black college in Virginia, requesting the recommendation of a teacher for their new school. Samuel C. Armstrong, the Hampton principal and a former Union general, recommended 25-year-old Booker T. Washington, an alumnus and teacher at Hampton.

As the newly hired principal in Tuskegee, Booker Washington began classes for his new school in a rundown church and shanty. The following year (1882), he purchased a former plantation of 100 acres in size. The earliest campus buildings were constructed on that property, usually by students as part of their work-study. By the start of the 20th century, the Tuskegee Institute occupied nearly 2,300 acres.[5]

Based on his experience at the Hampton Institute, Washington intended to train students in skills, morals, and religious life, in addition to academic subjects. Washington urged the teachers he trained "to return to the plantation districts and show the people there how to put new energy and new ideas into farming as well as into the intellectual and moral and religious life of the people."[6] Washington's second wife Olivia A. Davidson, was instrumental to the success and helped raise funds for the school/[7]

Gradually, a rural extension program was developed, to take progressive ideas and training to those who could not come to the campus. Tuskegee alumni founded smaller schools and colleges throughout the South; they continued to emphasize teacher training.

Booker T. Washington's leadership[edit]

The Oaks, Booker T. Washington's home on the Tuskegee campus, c. 1906Presidents of Tuskegee University
Dr. Booker T. Washington 1881–1915
Dr. Robert Moton 1915–1935
Dr. Frederick Patterson 1935–1953
Dr. Luther Foster, Jr. 1953–1981
Dr. Benjamin Payton 1981–2010
Dr. Charlotte P. Morris 2010 Interim President – November 1, 2010
Dr. Gilbert L. Rochon 2010 – 2013
Dr. Matthew Jenkins 2013 Acting President – June 15, 2014
Dr. Brian L. Johnson 2014 – present
As a young free man after the Civil War, Washington sought a formal education. He worked his way through Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute (now Hampton University) and attended college at Wayland Seminary in Washington, DC (now Virginia Union University). He returned to Hampton as a teacher.

Hired as principal of the new normal school (for the training of teachers) in Tuskegee, Alabama, Booker Washington opened his school on July 4, 1881, in space borrowed from a church. The following year, he bought the grounds of a former plantation. Over the decades he expanded the institute there; It has been designated as a National Historic Landmark.

The school expressed Washington's dedication to the pursuit of self-reliance. In addition to training teachers, he also taught the practical skills needed for his students to succeed at farming or other trades typical of the rural South, where most of them came from. He wanted his students to see labor as practical, but also as beautiful and dignified. As part of their work-study programs, students constructed most of the new buildings. Many students earned all or part of their expenses through the construction, agricultural, and domestic work associated with the campus, as they reared livestock and raised crops, as well as producing other goods.

The continuing expansion of black education took place against a background of increased violence against blacks in the South, after white Democrats regained power in state governments and imposed white supremacy in society. They instituted legal racial segregation and a variety of Jim Crow laws, after disfranchising most blacks by constitutional amendments and electoral rules from 1890–1964. Against this background, Washington's vision, as expressed in his "Atlanta compromise" speech, became controversial and was challenged by new leaders, such as W.E.B. Du Bois, who argued that blacks should have opportunities for study inclassical academic programs, as well as vocational institutes. In the early twentieth century, Du Bois envisioned the rise of "the Talented Tenth" to lead African Americans.

Washington gradually attracted notable scholars to Tuskegee, including the botanist George Washington Carver, one of the university's most renowned professors.
 

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Read your whole post and I agree.:ehh:

When Umar and others talk about "Black and Latina" I don't know if they mean Afro-Latina, if not, then that's problem we're having by including people in who don't have the same experience as us.

Also agree not to allow non-blacks owning or being part of black institutions, majority of non-blacks don't have black people best interest but they're own.

And to find a way to help fund these types of programs for blacks I sadly say is gotta take our black celebrities, musicians, and athletes(who are not c00ns) to bring real awareness to these issue(if your talking about big money funds).
 
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Everybody is looking out for themselves, there's money to be made and they're relying on grants and grant making. I'm a freelance grant writer so I understand the game. But at the same time, because federal dollars are pouring in and have been, can we even really trust these black figureheads in white institutions? Black figureheads that are only there to basically grant fund? Look at the Commission they created that tried to look at all of the faults and try to bring charges against those involved in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, they had how many black folks in it? Black men? That was working for the federal government that basically carried out that study?

If we're going to create organizations that rely on funding then we must rely on ourselves and write those checks and make those donations, so we know who to hold accountable when shyt happens and take care of ourselves.



Tuskegee Institute by Booker T Washington for instance.


Parents have to hold the schools accountable, and there are people who can open up an Academy (aka schools) that have a strong curriculum with no problem, and honestly that is all that matters. All that stuff Umar talking about girls only having natural hair and taking kids away from weave wearing parents is too extra.

But they are getting real bold.

1) They are printing books making slavery seem like the best thing to ever happen to black folks. (You already see how they made the massacre of Indians into Westerns with John Wayne, so I put nothing past them, very twisted people)

2)

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On the one hand you have Dr. Umar Johnson claiming black people are afraid of keeping things for us by us, but at the same time he keeps mentioning "black and Latino" or "black and brown" and wanting them to have a culturally relevant education by building his school for them.

I've been listening to Umar lectures for years and I've never heard him say anything about starting a school for black and brown kids. Everything he's said and done that I've heard has been 100% for black people. Even on the BC interview he said one of the reasons people don't like him is because he doesn't believe multi culturalism.
 

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I've been listening to Umar lectures for years and I've never heard him say anything about starting a school for black and brown kids. Everything he's said and done that I've heard has been 100% for black people. Even on the BC interview he said one of the reasons people don't like him is because he doesn't believe multi culturalism.

He said it in the interview, he mentioned brown and black girls, brown and black boys and blacks and Latinos. You can listen again for yourself.
 

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He said it in the interview, he mentioned brown and black girls, brown and black boys and blacks and Latinos. You can listen again for yourself.

He was quoting statistics. When those stats come out they lump us together, but he said never said anything about joining with Latinos or doing anything for them. Nowhere in that interview did he even insinuate that his school or his work has anything to do with non black people.

He even calls his campaign the national movement to save black boys.
 

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I think he only mentioned "brown" people because DJ Envy and Angela Yee was there, i never seen him mention latinos in his videos. :manny:

DJ Envy is a light skin black man and Angela Yee is mixed with Asian and black lol. But okay, I'll concede.

He was quoting statistics. When those stats come out they lump us together, but he said never said anything about joining with Latinos or doing anything for them. Nowhere in that interview did he even insinuate that his school or his work has anything to do with non black people.

He even calls his campaign the national movement to save black boys.

I understand that but when he mentioned the national movement to save black boys, the conversation veered into black women and then brown women as well. Maybe it was for the sake of conversation but I hope he doesn't feel the need to accommodate other "people of color", much like the philosophy of WEB DuBois. I think what's needed is culturally competent, educated black people teaching and mentoring our youth much like Umar Johnson.

I agree with Umar about those who graduated from white institutions and going back to those institutions after finishing graduate and doctorate studies, for example Dr. Angela Davis. She actively fights against prison industrial complex, but she's a retired professor at the UC Santa Cruz. Black boys woulda thrived if she were an educator at an all black institution.
 
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DJ Envy is a light skin black man and Angela Yee is mixed with Asian and black lol. But okay, I'll concede.



I understand that but when he mentioned the national movement to save black boys, the conversation veered into black women and then brown women as well. Maybe it was for the sake of conversation but I hope he doesn't feel the need to accommodate other "people of color", much like the philosophy of WEB DuBois. I think what's needed is culturally competent, educated black people teaching and mentoring our youth much like Umar Johnson.

I agree with Umar about those who graduated from white institutions and going back to those institutions after finishing graduate and doctorate studies, for example Dr. Angela Davis. She actively fights against prison industrial complex, but she's a retired professor at the UC Santa Cruz. Black boys woulda thrived if she were an educator at an all black institution.
DJ Envy looks latino to me lol angela yee too
 
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