Breaking: U.S. senators unveil bipartisan immigration bill

[No1]

U.S. senators unveil bipartisan immigration bill | Reuters

By Richard Cowan and Rachelle Younglai

WASHINGTON, April 16 (Reuters) - A bipartisan group of U.S. senators on Tuesday unveiled long-awaited landmark legislation to remove the threat of deportation for millions of illegal immigrants, giving them an opportunity to apply for permanent legal status within 10 years and eventually for U.S. citizenship.

Under the proposal, undocumented immigrants who came to America before Dec. 31, 2011 and stayed continuously could apply for "provisional" legal status as soon as six months after the bill is signed by the president.

But beyond that, they would have to wait, perhaps for a decade or more without receiving federal benefits, while the government meets a host of tough conditions for securing U.S. borders and enforcing current immigration law.

The bill's sponsors - four Democrats and four Republicans -felt such conditions and enforcement "triggers" to be necessary in order to help it succeed where similar measures have failed, mostly because of opposition to what opponents see as "amnesty" for law-breakers.

Even with the many caveats, the proposal faces months of debate, scores of amendments and potentially significant opposition, particularly in the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives.

Indeed, much of the legislation was designed to make the bill palatable to Republicans.

Billions of dollars in new money would be funneled into additional border security to discourage people from avoiding detection as they crossed Mexico's border with the United States.

 

[Brown_Pride]

look at this guy over here trying to point out some shyt while WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!! Pay no attention to the men on capitol hill.

I wonder though as they are "undocumented" how does one go about proving you where here for prior to 12/31/2011?

 

[88m3]

look at this guy over here trying to point out some shyt while WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!! Pay no attention to the men on capitol hill.

I wonder though as they are "undocumented" how does one go about proving you where here for prior to 12/31/2011?

why do you want me to get deported fam?

 

[Brown_Pride]

why do you want your fam to be deported?

fixed

 

[ltheghost]

I guess this is a good start. But how are they going to prove how long they have been here? The smart thing would just make them citizens already and make them pay a fine. A fine that would take years to pay off. Waiting 10 years...what is the point? They can't get the boarder secure in ten years.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

There will never be justice on stolen land.

 

[No1]

I guess this is a good start. But how are they going to prove how long they have been here? The smart thing would just make them citizens already and make them pay a fine. A fine that would take years to pay off. Waiting 10 years...what is the point? They can't get the boarder secure in ten years.

10 years is to make it palatable to those who don't like the idea of people "getting away" with a crime. Further, given how long other people have to wait to become citizens, it's not completely out of the realm of fairness. Denying these people any federal programs is a bit much though. At the very least for the kids and those who want to go to college.

It would be way too complicated calculating a proper fine given varying income levels and need, and you would have those who argue that it would give these people all the benefits of being a citizen while just having a fine over their head that they could pay off according to their financial need. You're ignoring that it's meant to be punitive or at least designed that way so as it can't be framed as Congress rewarding individuals who broke our laws. That's the only way those House Republicans can sell it.

 

[88m3]

sounds like a good deal, if I were an illegal immigrant I would be happy.

 

[ltheghost]

10 years is to make it palatable to those who don't like the idea of people "getting away" with a crime. Further, given how long other people have to wait to become citizens, it's not completely out of the realm of fairness. Denying these people any federal programs is a bit much though. At the very least for the kids and those who want to go to college.

It would be way too complicated calculating a proper fine given varying income levels and need, and you would have those who argue that it would give these people all the benefits of being a citizen while just having a fine over their head that they could pay off according to their financial need. You're ignoring that it's meant to be punitive or at least designed that way so as it can't be framed as Congress rewarding individuals who broke our laws. That's the only way those House Republicans can sell it.

I agree. They have to add a punitive measure with the denying federal programs part. That's why I say they should just go ahead and make them citizens already and just fine them. But I get it. They have to have do "something" to make it seem like this isn't "Amnesty".

 

[ltheghost]

10 years is to make it palatable to those who don't like the idea of people "getting away" with a crime. Further, given how long other people have to wait to become citizens, it's not completely out of the realm of fairness. Denying these people any federal programs is a bit much though. At the very least for the kids and those who want to go to college.

It would be way too complicated calculating a proper fine given varying income levels and need, and you would have those who argue that it would give these people all the benefits of being a citizen while just having a fine over their head that they could pay off according to their financial need. You're ignoring that it's meant to be punitive or at least designed that way so as it can't be framed as Congress rewarding individuals who broke our laws. That's the only way those House Republicans can sell it.

And if you really want to get into some fukkery...take an asylum law class...The process is so crazy. I sat in class watching some of the older "interviews" and it was fukkery at it's finest. A woman from Brazil was trying to get Asylum here because her husband was routinely raping and beating her. Now she has family here and the dude denied her claim because and I quote, "If she got raped and beat that many times what is stopping her husband from killing her?" It was case from the 80's...but still

 

[Captain]

There will never be justice on stolen land.

Then wouldn't almost every land be stolen land?

 

[88m3]

Then wouldn't almost every land be stolen land?

AFRICA BROTHER MOTHER fukkING AFRICA THE MOTHERLAND BROTHER

 

[lakinta]

latino power anybody know when this would become law (if at all). I'm not familiar with congressional timetables.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Top 10 Reasons Why The U.S. Needs Comprehensive Immigration Reform | ThinkProgress

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Then wouldn't almost every land be stolen land?

there is "stolen land" and then there is "Stolen Land".

either way there is no justice...just varying degrees of injustice.