Black Wealth: Truth Vs Myth

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Black Wealth: Truth vs. Myth - JetMag.com

I've heard most of these myths repeated here in one form or another. And as the article conlcludes. The first step in addressing the issues should be starting with real and true information. Not sound good rhetoric.

  1. African Americans spend too much and do not save enough. There is a common misconception that African Americans blow their money on flashy items and material things, rather than save and invest in assets that can yield them long-term earnings. The truth is African Americans tend to have the largest ratio of saving in relation to their income compared to other racial groups. Since Blacks are susceptible to economic downturns, layoffs and long-term unemployment, many tend to save money more, according to Prudential’s report on the African American Financial Experience.
  1. African Americans are lazy and do not want to work hard. African Americans are chronically unemployed or underemployed as compared to other social groups. According to a reportreleased by Pew Research Center, African Americans are “the last to be hired and the first to be fired,” and many are also unemployed for a longer period of time. African Americans are constantly seeking additional work to get ahead but quality employment can be difficult to obtain and maintain.
  1. African Americans do not build wealth because they are comfortable relying on public assistance. Low-income white Americans are the largest beneficiaries of food stamps, according to the U.S Department of Agriculture. Some African Americans do rely on public assistance as a means of income-patching to withstand unemployment or underemployment, but in no way is it a reliance of choice. In the mid-80s, welfare and other public assistance programs created asset limits for beneficiaries, and thus reduced the ability for recipients to build a safety net to transition off benefits and become fully self sufficient.
  1. African Americans abuse credit cards and have more credit debt than others. In a report released by DEMOS and the NAACP, middle class African Americans have similar rates of default and late payments as do their white counterparts. Similarly, the African American middle class, like the American middle class, rack up credit card debt “to make critical investments in their future, including for higher education, entrepreneurship, and medical expenses”- not extravagant purchases. Many people use credit cards to patch their income or as a “safety net” to replace dwindling incomes and stretch resources.
  1. African American businesses do not succeed because they are not supported by African Americans. There is much rhetoric around black purchasing power and the need to leverage it into black-owned institutions as a means of community and economic development. In order to grow and thrive as a community, African Americans need more than just black dollars, but also external patronage, benefits and investments as seen with some of the most successful black businesses as noted by Alfred Edmond Jr. for American Express.
The false narrative about African American wealth building has largely proliferated because it is easier to blame the victim than to acknowledge or address the larger structural inequalities that disenfranchise a group of people. Moving forward, as a community it is necessary to dispel these myths with facts.

African American wealth cannot and will not look like white wealth.

The historic socioeconomic, cultural factors that impact the everyday lives of African Americans do not reflect that of their white counterparts. The responsibility and duty to individuals, family and community requires a different wealth and economic outlook. But the first step is to shatter the myths that cloud our political and public policy debates and deal with what is real and true.
 

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The first myth we need to get rid of is that we don't have our priorities straight. Theres too many of us living day to day. Too many of us don't have options or don't kno what options we have available to us.
 
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  1. African American businesses do not succeed because they are not supported by African Americans. There is much rhetoric around black purchasing power and the need to leverage it into black-owned institutions as a means of community and economic development. In order to grow and thrive as a community, African Americans need more than just black dollars, but also external patronage, benefits and investments as seen with some of the most successful black businesses as noted by Alfred Edmond Jr. for American Express.

Of course they don't dispute this FACT (not a myth) they just moved the goalposts :sas1:
That welfare one is bull too :sas2:
 

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Of course they don't dispute this FACT (not a myth) they just moved the goalposts :sas1:
That welfare one is bull too :sas2:
No. The facts say that black people do support black business.

If it's not black people supporting black businesses then who is?

And where's your factual proof that public assistance makes people lazy?':sas2:
 
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No. The facts say that black people do support black business.

If it's not black people supporting black businesses then who is?

And where's your factual proof that public assistance makes people lazy?':sas2:

Of course black owned businesses are supported by black people. Who the hell else could we rely on to support our businesses? :comeon:
A strong argument could be made that we don't support our businesses enough. We definitely don't open enough of our own businesses and we spend nearly all of our dollars with people who aren't black. The article addressed none of this and simply moved the goalposts to talk about "external" income

First of all, continuous Welfare would make ANYBODY lazy but that's not the point that I failed to clarify :snoop:

Percentage wise, as a group, black people are on welfare more than whites. I think the number is something like 35% for whites and 50% for blacks. As far as sheer numbers are concerned whites are a bigger tax drain. Stepping away from sheer dollars that's a disturbing percentage of a people relying on welfare. All welfare isn't created equally but it is what is none the less :ehh:
 

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Of course black owned businesses are supported by black people. Who the hell else could we rely on to support our businesses? :comeon:
A strong argument could be made that we don't support our businesses enough. We definitely don't open enough of our own businesses and we spend nearly all of our dollars with people who aren't black. The article addressed none of this and simply moved the goalposts to talk about "external" income
No. The facts say that we do support our businesses. They also say that black business has seen significant growth over the last 40 years and that growth is mostly attributed to "outside income" blacks supporting our own businesses has been the constant.

First of all, continuous Welfare would make ANYBODY lazy but that's not the point that I failed to clarify :snoop:

Percentage wise, as a group, black people are on welfare more than whites. I think the number is something like 35% for whites and 50% for blacks. As far as sheer numbers are concerned whites are a bigger tax drain. Stepping away from sheer dollars that's a disturbing percentage of a people relying on welfare. All welfare isn't created equally but it is what is none the less :ehh:
None of this proves that welfare leads to apathy. Or that it has hurt black people.
 

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after hanging around mexicans and koreans for awhile, i realized blacks dont support enough black businesses. for example, koreans can go weeks without spending money with another group. they'll eat at korean food joints, watch movies at korean owned theaters, use korean owned taxi/bus transit systems, shop at korean owned grocery stores, party at korean owned clubs/bars.

my only rebuttal is blacks don't have the collective wealth or networks to start competitively priced businesses. i already know most of us would support black owned, if we had that alternative.
 
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No. The facts say that we do support our businesses. They also say that black business has seen significant growth over the last 40 years and that growth is mostly attributed to "outside income" blacks supporting our own businesses has been the constant.

I never said we didn't support our businesses i said we didn't support them ENOUGH. I also made two other points that you conveniently overlooked. It's trolling at this point.

None of this proves that welfare leads to apathy. Or that it has hurt black people.

Basic logic and human nature would tell you that consistently NOT WORKING hard for things would make lazy weak people. The same way constantly being terrorized, sabotaged, and violently oppressed for FIVE HUNDRED years would break a people. This is not up for discussion and i refuse to go back forth with you over such a simple argument.
 
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after hanging around mexicans and koreans for awhile, i realized blacks dont support enough black businesses. for example, koreans can go weeks without spending money with another group. they'll eat at korean food joints, watch movies at korean owned theaters, use korean owned taxi/bus transit systems, shop at korean owned grocery stores, party at korean owned clubs/bars.

my only rebuttal is blacks don't have the collective wealth or networks to start competitively priced businesses. i already know most of us would support black owned, if we had that alternative.

This.

A lot of nikkas have NO IDEA how shyt works with other races. I think i'll start a thread on my extensive experiences with other races :ehh:
 

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I never said we didn't support our businesses i said we didn't support them ENOUGH. I also made two other points that you conveniently overlooked. It's trolling at this point.
What is "enough" we already support them as much as we can. There is no black Walmart, so we buy what we need from where it's available. As for opening businesses, black business has grown more than any other race in recent years.
Basic logic and human nature would tell you that consistently NOT WORKING hard for things would make lazy weak people. The same way constantly being terrorized, sabotaged, and violently oppressed for FIVE HUNDRED years would break a people. This is not up for discussion and i refuse to go back forth with you over such a simple argument.
All real data points to the fact that your opinion is wrong. If you have any facts to back up your opinion post them. Otherwise you are just repeating a myth you heard someone else say.
 

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I read the first study cited, and apparently 216 of the 1,043 African-American/Black respondents make 150k or more every year.
That study is not at all an accurate representation of the Black population of the United States. I'll read the others when I get the chance later on.
 

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I read the first study cited, and apparently 216 of the 1,043 African-American/Black respondents make 150k or more every year.
That study is not at all an accurate representation of the Black population of the United States. I'll read the others when I get the chance later on.
Its not far off, should be about 12% going strictly by demographics.

The study is eschewed toward the higher income levels because it wouldn't make sense to poll poor people, as they have no income to save.
 

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Referring to African Americans as "victims" in this article is a big reason why some people don't think we can build wealth...victims don't win...u have to watch what u call yourself :jbhmm: and saving money doesn't build wealth, not sure why folks still don't get that
 
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Referring to African Americans as "victims" in this article is a big reason why some people don't think we can build wealth...victims don't win...u have to watch what u call yourself :jbhmm: and saving money doesn't build wealth, not sure why folks still don't get that

In this system of White Supremacy we definitely ARE victims. We have to admit what we are to even begin to deal with our problems. Remaining a victim after gaining knowledge about our situation is a different story because once you have knowledge, specifically knowledge that shows you that you have options to get out of a dire situation, you can no longer claim victim. But i agree with you that stigmatizing yourself with these negative terms is a terrible habit and has a lot of conscious and subconscious repercussions.

And you're 100% correct. Saving money does not build wealth at all.
 

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In this system of White Supremacy we definitely ARE victims. We have to admit what we are to even begin to deal with our problems. Remaining a victim after gaining knowledge about our situation is a different story because once you have knowledge, specifically knowledge that shows you that you have options to get out of a dire situation, you can no longer claim victim. But i agree with you that stigmatizing yourself with these negative terms is a terrible habit and has a lot of conscious and subconscious repercussions.

And you're 100% correct. Saving money does not build wealth at all.

Aight I feel you on your explanation of using that term for blacks overall. Personally, I don't use the term. If I met a little black kid, no way would I say he is a victim or being oppressed. I just don't think that terminology is useful. Even with adults, a lot of black people feel like victims. Agreeing with them and calling them that just reinforces it imo. But I definitely see where you coming from.
 
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