Black Preacher destroys the "Gay is the New Black" argument

[blackslash]

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/07/19/gay-is-not-the-new-black/

Some highlights from a similar article he wrote

The first problem with the idea of conflating "sexual orientation" and race is the fact that homosexuality is undetectable apart from self-identification. Determining whether or not a person is black, Native American, or female usually involves no more than visual verification. However, should doubt remain, blood tests, genetics, or a quick trip up the family tree would suffice. Not so with homosexuality. There is no evidence that can confirm or deny a person's claims regarding sexual orientation.5
Moreover, the homosexual community itself has made this identification even more complicated in an effort to distance itself from those whose same-sex behavior they find undesirable. The Jerry Sandusky case is a prime example. Sandusky is accused of molesting numerous young boys during and after his tenure at Penn State. However, try placing the label "homosexual" on his activities and the backlash will be swift and unequivocal. "Pedophiles are not homosexuals!" is the consistent refrain coming from the homosexual community, media, academia, and the psychological/medical establishment.6

It should be noted that the right to marry is one of the most frequently denied rights we have. People who are already married, 12-year-olds, and people who are too closely related are just a few categories of people routinely and/or categorically denied the right to marry. Hence, the charge that it is wrong to deny any person a "fundamental right" rings hollow. There has always been, and, by necessity, will always be discrimination in marriage laws.
Third, there is a historical disconnect. As early as the time of Moses, recorded history is replete with interracial marriages. In our own history, the marriage of John Rolfe and Pocahontas in the 17th century,9 along with the fact that anti-miscegenation laws were usually limited only to the intermarrying of certain "races" of people (i.e., black and white), stands as historical evidence of the legal and logical inconsistency of such laws. Thus, unlike same-sex "marriage" advocates, those fighting for the right to intermarry in the civil rights era had history on their side.
Fourth, there is a legal disconnect. One thing that seems to escape most people in this debate is the fact that homosexuals have never been denied the right to marry. They simply haven't had the right to redefine marriage. But don't take my word for it; listen to the Iowa Supreme Court in their decision in favor of same-sex "marriage": "It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex."
There it is: not only in black and white, but in a legal decision. Homosexuals haven't been deprived of any right. How, then, do those on the side of same-sex marriage continue to make the claim that this is a civil rights issue? The key is in the next paragraph:
[The] right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneously fulfill their deeply felt need for a committed personal relationship, as influenced by their sexual orientation, and gain the civil status and attendant benefits granted by the statute.

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

Translation: batty bwoy fi dead.

 

[Detroit Wave]

pure ether

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

I've said those exact words on this site... FACT


I can't respect anyone that compares gays to black folks struggle in any context.

 

[tmonster]

more freedom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>less freedom

 

[End Cruelty]

Nothing new here. His stance his fine by me but a bit fallacious at points. Comparing child molesters to consenting adults in this situation is hypocritical, imo. I also largely disagree about the history of interracial marriage. Perhaps he should get more narrow with the context. We can't talk about gays so broadly because there are many issues. I personally think that is why gay rights are a civil rights issue, though not on the same scale as African Americans. What this man is suggesting, if I read correctly, is that homosexual partners jump the broom. That is without the shackles and spirituals. Don't get me wrong.

This whole spiel comes off as defensive against a non threat. Civil rights are not exclusive to black people. If one has a problem with the gay movement it should be the very recent trend of them stereotyping us as a homophobic people yet not taking a visible stand to fight for other marginalized groups.

 

[DEAD7]

Nothing new here. His stance his fine by me but a bit fallacious at points. Comparing child molesters to consenting adults in this situation is hypocritical, imo. I also largely disagree about the history of interracial marriage. Perhaps he should get more narrow with the context. We can't talk about gays so broadly because there are many issues. I personally think that is why gay rights are a civil rights issue, though not on the same scale as African Americans. What this man is suggesting, if I read correctly, is that homosexual partners jump the broom. That is without the shackles and spirituals. Don't get me wrong.

Could you expand on this?

You dont think the gender of the child molested is an indicator of sexual orientation?

 

[End Cruelty]

Could you expand on this?

You dont think the gender of the child molested is an indicator of sexual orientation?

I do not. That would suggest that there are straight and gay pedophiles, which could actually strengthen my point that they are independent conditions btw(thats a whole different line of thinking though). As a witness and victim to that perversion many times, I classify pedophilia as an act similar to rape. It is about power and not passion and the sex of a child is largely irrelevant. Children do not have a developed sexual persona or body, so I don't believe orientation has anything to do with it on the abuser's side. Pedophiles are attracted to the innocence of a child while a normal adult is attracted to pheremones or a bank account, for example. Got a little cheeky at the end but I could go on further.

 

[blackslash]

I've said those exact words on this site... FACT


I can't respect anyone that compares gays to black folks struggle in any context.

Period...in any context!!

 

[Ski Mask]

One thing that seems to escape most people in this debate is the fact that homosexuals have never been denied the right to marry. They simply haven't had the right to redefine marriage. But don't take my word for it; listen to the Iowa Supreme Court in their decision in favor of same-sex "marriage": "It is true the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit gay and lesbian persons from marrying; it does, however, require that if they marry, it must be to someone of the opposite sex."
There it is: not only in black and white, but in a legal decision. Homosexuals haven't been deprived of any right. How, then, do those on the side of same-sex marriage continue to make the claim that this is a civil rights issue? The key is in the next paragraph:
[The] right of a gay or lesbian person under the marriage statute to enter into a civil marriage only with a person of the opposite sex is no right at all. Under such a law, gay or lesbian individuals cannot simultaneou

While I do agree that you can't compare race and sexual orientation, doesn't this argument kind of encourage down lo behavior? Plus couldn't someone turn around and say that by granting fags the right to marry(at least civil marriage), heteros also get the right to marry the same sex(even though none of us would want to exercise that right)?

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

It all started when they removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM.

The Homosexual agenda started from there.

 

[mbewane]

You see, gays didn't have to go the "gay is the new black" route. Black oppression has killed millions over centuries, all but destroyed civilizations, languages, social structures, knowledge of self, set back Africa etc. I don't recall gays being deported for slavery, being conquered and turned into colonies or being hung because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Saying that "gay is the new black" yet again diminishes the Black oppression/genocide. Why don't they say "Gay is the new Jew"?

And that's coming from someone who supports gay rights and marriage (I'm undecided on adoption).

The preacher shouldn't even have to be in a position where he has to refute such a ridiculous claim.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Religious clowns and those that oppose progress will ALWAYS end up on tbe wrong side of history.

Enjoy embarrassing your grandchildren, fellas.

 

[blackslash]

Religious clowns and those that oppose progress will ALWAYS end up on tbe wrong side of history.

Enjoy embarrassing your grandchildren, fellas.

The ad hominem that tries to weave around an actual intelligent discussion on the issue As Voddie predicted u would respond