Big Syke's Underrated Influence: From Evil Mind Gangsters to Thug Life

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Let’s have a real convo about Big Syke’s impact on Tupac’s sound and West Coast hip-hop as a whole.

For those who might not know, Big Syke (Tyruss Himes) was a rapper and member of Thug Life, the group that Tupac formed in the early '90s. But his journey started earlier with the Evil Mind Gangsters, who dropped All Hell Breaks Loose in 1992.

This album sounds drastically different from the content Tupac was making at the same time (Tupacalypse Now and Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.)—Tupac's early work leaned heavily on political and social commentary, inspired by Chuck D and Public Enemy. Meanwhile, All Hell Breaks Loose had a raw, street-oriented G-Funk sound that feels like the precursor to Thug Life: Volume 1.

So here’s what I want to discuss:

1. Musical Evolution: Can we say that Big Syke’s sound influenced Tupac’s pivot from political rap to the West Coast gangster aesthetic? Thug Life: Volume 1 has tracks (Pour Out a Little Liquor, Bury Me a G) that feel like polished versions of ideas on the Evil Mind Gangsters album.


2. Big Syke's Cadence vs. Tupac’s Delivery: If you break down Syke’s verses, his cadence is very distinct but oddly similar to Tupac’s structure when written on paper. Does anyone else think that Tupac incorporated Syke’s rhythmic style into his flow?


3. AI Hypotheticals: Imagine we used AI to have Tupac’s voice rap Big Syke’s solo material. Wouldn’t those tracks sound exactly like unreleased Tupac songs? Or vice versa—if Big Syke rapped Tupac’s lyrics in his cadence, you could still feel the synergy between their styles.


4. Legacy of Thug Life: Volume 1: Did anyone else, as a kid, assume this was just another Tupac solo album? Looking back now, it’s clearly a collaborative group effort with Big Syke, Macadoshis, and others, but Tupac’s dominance kind of overshadows their contributions.



Let’s give Big Syke his flowers! His role in shaping that mid-'90s West Coast sound is undeniable.
 

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Never thought there’d be a day someone would ask to have a discussion specifically about the big homie.

Back in high school I was a huge fan. His style was so tied with pac it felt weird listening to a track with just him on it.

Without doing my googles though, I vaguely remember the track satellite love or something was dope. Matter of fact. Many tracks from him were good. Good times

He’s also a Bay Area guy so folks from the east ain’t gon know him or like his flow.
 

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Never thought there’d be a day someone would ask to have a discussion specifically about the big homie.

Back in high school I was a huge fan. His style was so tied with pac it felt weird listening to a track with just him on it.

Without doing my googles though, I vaguely remember the track satellite love or something was dope. Matter of fact. Many tracks from him were good. Good times

He’s also a Bay Area guy so folks from the east ain’t gon know him or like his flow.
I literally think that Big Syke is being overlooked for potentially major contributions to Tupac's creative direction, essentially changing Tupac's brand from socioeconomic commentary to street thematics over g-funk

And I believe Tupac was already aspiring to this sound ... As evident even by recent comments from Ice Cube where Tupac told him he wanted to be like NWA

He just didn't start out with those kinds of producers and he needed to grow into it

But meeting Big Syke may have been his first step onto this path
 

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I GOT KEYS COMIN FROM OVERSEAS

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I feel like Pac was influenced by both Stretch and Big Sykes deliveries. But it never gets mentioned

And @TRUEST Sykes not from the Bay he’s from Inglewood.
 

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Dope thread....Syke def had influence on Pac

If I remember correctly Pac linked with JohnnyJ thru him as well...
 
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