Big Government Kills Religion

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I think this is an oversimplified conclusion, but I thought I'd share anyway.

Nigel Barber: Big Government Kills Religion

Atheism*blossoms in developed countries*but is virtually absent in poorer nations. One interpretation of secularization is that big government helps citizens to feel more secure and less in need of religious reassurance. In a*new study, I have found the most compelling evidence yet for this possibility.

It seems that people turn to religion as a salve for the difficulties and uncertainties of their lives. In an earlier study*of 137 countries, I found that belief in God was higher in countries with a heavy load of infectious diseases, making life difficult and uncertain. Moreover, fewer people believed in God in wealthy and

Yet, the 2011 study had a weakness. The data were not collected in the same way in different countries and were not strictly comparable. In a study published in the*February issue*of Cross-Cultural Research, I analyzed Gallup data on the importance of religion in people's daily lives. The key advantage of the Gallup data is that the same polling methodology was used in each of the 114 countries for which they collected data in 2009.

My results in the new study mirrored those of the earlier one on belief in God. I found that more people reported that religion was important in their daily lives in countries with difficult living conditions. Moreover, as the size of government increased (as assessed by personal taxation rates) the importance of religion declined.

This was not because the government was suppressing religion as happened in Communist countries. I controlled for countries having a Communist past.My study also controlled for whether a country was mostly Muslim (where atheism may be criminalized).

I showed that personal taxation rates are strongly predictive of the size of the welfare state (for the limited number of countries where both pieces of information were available). So religiosity declined in countries having a well-developed welfare state where ordinary people are protected against economic uncertainties. Religion also declined in healthier, better educated countries where income is more equally distributed.

Why is religion in decline in countries where ordinary people enjoy a better standard of living? It seems that there is less fear and uncertainty in people's daily lives. Consequently there is less need for religion to help people cope with the feeling that they have little control over their lives.

Economists may differ over whether large governments shrink, or grow, national economies, but welfare states reduce inequality and the psychological benefits of this are*well documented*. Citizens of more equal countries feel a greater sense of trust in others, are more civically engaged, more active in starting businesses, and less vulnerable to crime and other social problems.

The U.S. is unusual amongst developed countries in remaining highly religious. The reason may include a patchy safety net, historically high income inequality, a lack of social trust, and high levels of crime, poverty, drug addiction, and other*social problems. The government is big enough but often takes from the poor to give to the rich (e.g., subsidies to corporations and social security payments to the wealthy elderly).In general, though, big government makes people feel better about their lives. They worry less about what the future may bring and do not rely upon religion to create a sense that their lives are controllable. Big government translates into small religion.
 

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France, and Spain buck the trend pretty hard off the top of my head...
 

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How so? They're not very religious nations and they have robust social safety nets.

Spain is 70 or 80% Christian

France in the 40-50% Christian



I also feel like a lot of families pass their religion down to their children.
Which I'm not sure how to clearly explain right now how it relates to the study.
 

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Spain is 70 or 80% Christian

France in the 40-50% Christian



I also feel like a lot of families pass their religion down to their children.
Which I'm not sure how to clearly explain right now as it relates to the study.

I think you mean Christian in self-defined cultural/traditional sense, not so much as a belief system. 40-50% is pretty low relatively speaking. France is the 7th most atheist nation in world.

Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a Eurobarometer poll in 2005 that showed that 59% of Spaniards believe in God. That's low compared to most of the world.
 

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I think you mean Christian in self-defined cultural/traditional sense, not so much as a belief system. 40-50% is pretty low relatively speaking. France is the 7th most atheist nation in world.

Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a Eurobarometer poll in 2005 that showed that 59% of Spaniards believe in God. That's low compared to most of the world.

Heres 2010
Religion in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I have to say I feel like there is a real agenda being pushed when it come to the loss of religion in Europe in some countries.


I think a lot of young people 30> are atheist or "agnostic" but older generations are still religious and they make up the the majority of the population.


40% is less than Saudi Arabia or Iran I guess.

At the end of the day that's a massive swath of people living under conditions the study suggests are unfavorable for religion.
 

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:rudy: That study completely misses the most important factor that shapes ideas

access to quality education

Once people learn some basic science they dont have time for demons and sky daddies and wealthy countries can offer free education all the way to college..
and this ties in neatly to why the US leads the developed world in the number of adults with invisible friends and lags in test scores in the developed world.
 

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:rudy: That study completely misses the most important factor that shapes ideas

access to quality education

Once people learn some basic science they dont have time for demons and sky daddies and wealthy countries can offer free education all the way to college..
and this ties in neatly to why the US leads the developed world in the number of adults with invisible friends and lags in test scores in the developed world.

:leon: Well.... damn.
 

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:rudy: That study completely misses the most important factor that shapes ideas

access to quality education

Once people learn some basic science they dont have time for demons and sky daddies and wealthy countries can offer free education all the way to college..
and this ties in neatly to why the US leads the developed world in the number of adults with invisible friends and lags in test scores in the developed world.

I have scientists, engineers, and math whiz's in my family who believe in elephants with 8 arms and are dead ass serious about it :sitdown:

education levels have nothing do with how religious you are.
 
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:rudy: That study completely misses the most important factor that shapes ideas

access to quality education

Once people learn some basic science they dont have time for demons and sky daddies and wealthy countries can offer free education all the way to college..
and this ties in neatly to why the US leads the developed world in the number of adults with invisible friends and lags in test scores in the developed world.

So untrue.
 

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I have scientists, engineers, and math whiz's in my family who believe in elephants with 8 arms and are dead ass serious about it :sitdown:

education levels have nothing do with how religious you are.

:birdman:How seriously do they take it tho and you also have to remember
Hinduism is really less a religion and more a philosophy really..its diverse,theres no single holy book,allows for individual thought,progress and enlightenment because there is no foundational dogma


so while your cousins may set out some yoghurt rice for Ganesh once in a while that doesnt stop them from studying evolution and taking science seriously

:jawalrus:Thats why india is moving forward b...now pakistan is a better example of where people take religion seriously :lawd: help them
 
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