that doesnt change what I said...
Trump is the establishment and has always been apart of the establishment. trump is all about himself, he's "anti" not supporting trump; absolutely nothing anti establishment about donald j trump. He's talking about cutting the corporate tax rate down to 15%!! That is the very definition of establishment. Those people absolutely agree with his views, like I said 95% of republicans voter overwhelmingly for him.
And how much noise were people making before Biden shyt on himself in that debate? We were screaming for 2 years to get him out and getting nothing but shrugs and lols, now suddenly everybody knew Biden was washed?I don’t even think most normal democrats let alone progressives wanted biden to re-run for another term; Cenk saying biden shouldn't have run isn't some crazy thought provoking discussion. However, cenk was just calling trump a literal fascist last month now we should sign up to kiss his ass and be in his administration of oligarchs
Whats the plan here? Americans have given the whole country to Republicans. You can sir at home with your arms crossed mumbling about Nazis for 2 years or at least attempt to work with them. Shyts probably not happening but at least you're trying. The majorities are small you can influence them.
TYT and those on the left fought the Trump administration for four years and what was the result? Full democratic control of government.
I believe his argument is that the majority of the general public has rejected the democratic establishment and that going forward if changes aren't met they won't have much success running establishment candidates for national office. Clinton lost resoundingly. It took an act of God to get Biden the few 10s of thousands of votes over Trump he needed to win while in the next cycle Biden was completely rejected and Harris his VP lost.
Trump lost because of COVID. It's also the reason he won again this time. Right or wrong he took a lot of the heat in the immediate aftermath of COVID and the long term damage hurt Biden and ended up getting Trump elected again.
And if Biden ran in 2016 he would have beat Trump and MAGA would have never gotten off the ground. We can go through a myriad of what ifs
I’m not confident Biden wins in 2016 tbh. He’s never been a good campaigner. I think the only thing is that he would’ve handled Sanders supporters better so you would not have had lower turnout in certain places. He’s better at that brand of retail politics. I’m not confident Biden wins in 2020 without COVID, in fact, I’d lean towards him losing.
These people have no real traction anywhere. If not for this forum I wouldn’t know what they’re saying. They had a moment riding the progressive wave in the 2010s and that’s it. They were never particularly charismatic or likeable. The left just needed something. Now they have to pay the bills and they see how the right wing has dominated the social media sphere and so they hope to siphon off some of that.
It basically took a 1 in 100 year event to get Biden over the hump of beating Trump. Who really knows. The COVID stuff is clear. Trump both lost and won again because of it and it's aftermath.
He also ran against women both times.
at Cenk being a revisionist. We on the "far" left didn't want Biden to run again from the beginning. Open convention.I know it hurt Emma heart to do it but she had to
