Afro-Asiatic has origins in East africa

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism

Eyoab I Gebremeskel and Muntaser E Ibrahim

Archeological and paleontological evidences point to East Africa as the likely area of early evolution of modern humans. Genetic studies also indicate that populations from the region often contain, but not exclusively, representatives of the more basal clades of mitochondrial and Y-chromosome phylogenies. Most Y-chromosome haplogroup diversity in Africa, however, is present within macrohaplogroup E that seem to have appeared 21 000–32 000 YBP somewhere between the Red Sea and Lake Chad. The combined analysis of 17 bi-allelic markers in 1214 Y chromosomes together with cultural background of 49 populations displayed in various metrics: network, multidimensional scaling, principal component analysis and neighbor-joining plots, indicate a major contribution of East African populations to the foundation of the macrohaplogroup, suggesting a diversification that predates the appearance of some cultural traits and the subsequent expansion that is more associated with the cultural and linguistic diversity witnessed today. The proto-Afro-Asiatic group carrying the E-P2 mutation may have appeared at this point in time and subsequently gave rise to the different major population groups including current speakers of the Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralist populations.

sources: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/03/haplogroup-e-and-afroasiatic.html?m=1

European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 26 March 2014; doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2014.41

 

[Bawon Samedi]

It's pretty much accepted in mainstream academia that Afro-Asiatic has its origins in East Africa.

Branches of Afro-Asiatic language found in each continent:

Africa: Cushyte - Semitic - Chadic - Berber - Omotic - Egyptian

Asia: Semitic

Ethiopian origin for ''Afro-Asiatic language family''
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Quote:
''On the other hand, the finding of all major branches of the Afro-Asiatic language tree in Ethiopia, including those that are not spoken elsewhere in the world, suggests that the homeland of the Afro-Asiatic language family may have been somewhere close to southwestern Ethiopia (Ehret 1995).''
Source(''Introduction'' 3rd paragraph > 2nd sentence):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/#SC1title

Linguistic Evidence supporting East African/Horn of African origin for Afro-Asiatic languages:
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Quote:
‘’Linguistic evidence indicates that the Afroasiatic language family originated in the Horn of Africa (S62, S70, S87), consistent with high levels of the Afroasiatic AAC in the Beja populations (although the latter observation could also be due to reverse gene flow from the Middle East).’’
Source (page: 15, title: Origins of the Fulani, Baggara Arabs, Koma, and Beja second sentence):
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2009/04/30/1172257.DC1/Tishkoff.SOM.pdf

Horn of Africa origin for Afro-Asiatic language family
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Quote:
‘’Proto-Afro-Asiatic is proposed to have been spoken 18,000 years ago near the Horn of Africa (eastern Africa). Three dialects emerged (Omotic, Cushytic, and Chadic) from the main one and this left ‘Boreafrasian,’ the source of Berber, Egyptian and Semitic (Dalby ,p. 6). The speakers of ‘Boreafrasian’ migrated north to an arid Sahara climate, then eventually pushed on west and east. Omotic, Cushytic, and Chadic are also spoken north of the Sahara so it must be assumed that the speakers of these "dialects" migrated north likewise, though perhaps separately from the ‘Boreafrasian’ speakers (Dalby, p.6).
http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/afro-asiatic2.html

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Also I wouldn't use dieneke as a source. I heard like Mathilda that he is also a Eurocentric.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

It's pretty much accepted in mainstream academia that Afro-Asiatic has its origins in East Africa.

Branches of Afro-Asiatic language found in each continent:

Africa: Cushyte - Semitic - Chadic - Berber - Omotic - Egyptian

Asia: Semitic

Ethiopian origin for ''Afro-Asiatic language family''
__________
Quote:
''On the other hand, the finding of all major branches of the Afro-Asiatic language tree in Ethiopia, including those that are not spoken elsewhere in the world, suggests that the homeland of the Afro-Asiatic language family may have been somewhere close to southwestern Ethiopia (Ehret 1995).''
Source(''Introduction'' 3rd paragraph > 2nd sentence):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/#SC1title

Linguistic Evidence supporting East African/Horn of African origin for Afro-Asiatic languages:
__________
Quote:
‘’Linguistic evidence indicates that the Afroasiatic language family originated in the Horn of Africa (S62, S70, S87), consistent with high levels of the Afroasiatic AAC in the Beja populations (although the latter observation could also be due to reverse gene flow from the Middle East).’’
Source (page: 15, title: Origins of the Fulani, Baggara Arabs, Koma, and Beja second sentence):
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2009/04/30/1172257.DC1/Tishkoff.SOM.pdf

Horn of Africa origin for Afro-Asiatic language family
__________
Quote:
‘’Proto-Afro-Asiatic is proposed to have been spoken 18,000 years ago near the Horn of Africa (eastern Africa). Three dialects emerged (Omotic, Cushytic, and Chadic) from the main one and this left ‘Boreafrasian,’ the source of Berber, Egyptian and Semitic (Dalby ,p. 6). The speakers of ‘Boreafrasian’ migrated north to an arid Sahara climate, then eventually pushed on west and east. Omotic, Cushytic, and Chadic are also spoken north of the Sahara so it must be assumed that the speakers of these "dialects" migrated north likewise, though perhaps separately from the ‘Boreafrasian’ speakers (Dalby, p.6).
http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/afro-asiatic2.html

so ive heard..

but over the past decade it seems that some cacs dont want afro-asiatic to be accustomed to east africa.

i think this is purely because of the semitc languages being grouped with cushytic and others..

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Also I wouldn't use dieneke as a source. I heard like Mathilda that he is also a Eurocentric.

really?

he actually seems quite the opposite of mathilda.

who said he was eurocentric? he seems legit.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

so ive heard..

but over the past decade it seems that some cacs dont want afro-asiatic to be accustomed to east africa.

i think this is purely because of the semitc languages being grouped with cushytic and others..

Yeah. I think its because since Hebrews speak a Afro-Asiatic language, that it now needs to be "Eurasian" in origins. lol...

Me thinks AA being East African origin would mean modern day religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam would have ancestry in Africa.

But like I said its a majority rule that AA has its origin in Africa. Heck if remember correctly Ethiopia has more semitic languages...

 

[Bawon Samedi]

really?

he actually seems quite the opposite of mathilda.

who said he was eurocentric? he seems legit.

Well I just heard from different sites, but people have told me to be cautious. And even so he's not a peer reviewed source. Just saying bro.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Well I just heard from different sites, but people have told me to be cautious. And even so he's not a peer reviewed source. Just saying bro.

i smell you..

 

[Bawon Samedi]

i smell you..

Anyways heres another source that may interest you.

IN THEIR REVIEW “FARMERS AND THEIR
languages: the first expansions” (25 Apr.
2003, p. 597), J. Diamond and P. Bellwood
suggest that food production and the
Afroasiatic language family were brought
simultaneously from the Near East to
Africa by demic diffusion, in other words,
by a migration of food-producing peoples.
In resurrecting this generally abandoned
view, the authors misrepresent the views of
the late I. M. Diakonoff (1), rely on
linguistic reconstructions inapplicable to
their claims (2), and fail to engage the five
decades of Afroasiatic scholarship that
rebutted this idea in the first place. This
extensive, well-grounded linguistic research
places the Afroasiatic homeland in the
southeastern Sahara or adjacent Horn of
Africa (3–8) and, when all of Afroasiatic’s
branches are included, strongly indicates a
pre–food-producing proto-Afroasiatic
economy (1, 7, 8).
http://wysinger.homestead.com/afroasiatic_-_keita.pdf

AA being Middle Eastern is no longer really accepted. Also I see people on this site are interested in the race topic of the Ancient Egyptians. Stay toned because I'm going to make a thread on that.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Anyways heres another source that may interest you.

IN THEIR REVIEW “FARMERS AND THEIR
languages: the first expansions” (25 Apr.
2003, p. 597), J. Diamond and P. Bellwood
suggest that food production and the
Afroasiatic language family were brought
simultaneously from the Near East to
Africa by demic diffusion, in other words,
by a migration of food-producing peoples.
In resurrecting this generally abandoned
view, the authors misrepresent the views of
the late I. M. Diakonoff (1), rely on
linguistic reconstructions inapplicable to
their claims (2), and fail to engage the five
decades of Afroasiatic scholarship that
rebutted this idea in the first place. This
extensive, well-grounded linguistic research
places the Afroasiatic homeland in the
southeastern Sahara or adjacent Horn of
Africa (3–8) and, when all of Afroasiatic’s
branches are included, strongly indicates a
pre–food-producing proto-Afroasiatic
economy (1, 7, 8).
http://wysinger.homestead.com/afroasiatic_-_keita.pdf

AA being Middle Eastern is no longer really accepted. Also I see people on this site are interested in the race topic of the Ancient Egyptians. Stay toned because I'm going to make a thread on that.

make sure you watch out for these nikkas that act like hoes and will try to debunk everything you stand for, just keep spreading the knowledge bruh..

this kinda remind me of egyptsearch..

 

[Bawon Samedi]

make sure you watch out for these nikkas that act like hoes and will try to debunk everything you stand for, just keep spreading the knowledge bruh..

this kinda remind me of egyptsearch..

I was a member there and on Nairaland. But yeah I'll keep posting stuff.

 

[Blackking]

AA being Middle Eastern is no longer really accepted. Also I see people on this site are interested in the race topic of the Ancient Egyptians. Stay toned because I'm going to make a thread on that.

Saying what?

 

[Czar]

Also I wouldn't use dieneke as a source. I heard like Mathilda that he is also a Eurocentric.

What's ironic is both of you are using Eurocentric terminology when you call the language family "Afro-Asiatic". Since that term wasn't coined until the 1900's by Maurice Delafosse, a French ethnographer.

Even the term "Hamito-Semitic" wasn't coined until the 1860's.

In fact, the term "Semitic" comes from the Latin Semiticus, which was used to identify Shem. Ethiopians are Hamites.

From the same article you posted (which I coincidentally had bookmarked in my browser)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/

The linguistic reconstructions of Semitic vocabulary, related to farming and agriculture, have supported the theory that the origin of Semitic languages is in the Near East (Diakonoff 1988; Militarev 2003). On the other hand, the finding of all major branches of the Afro-Asiatic language tree in Ethiopia, including those that are not spoken elsewhere in the world, suggests that the homeland of the Afro-Asiatic language family may have been somewhere close to southwestern Ethiopia (Ehret 1995). However, both cultural and historic evidence show tight connections between East Africa and the Semitic cultural substrate in the Near East and southern Arabia, which points to four distinct phases of Semitic cultural intrusion into Ethiopia: first, related to the Sabaens in the 1st millennium b.c.; second, as the arrival of Falasha Jews from southern Arabia in the first 2 centuries a.d.; third, during the 4th–6th centuries, when Syrian missionaries brought Christianity to Aksumites and to their descendants, the Tigrais and the Amharas; and fourth, because of the influence of Muslim Arabs, which primarily affected the southeastern parts of the country (Levine 1974).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2839953/

The evolution of languages provides a unique opportunity to study human population history. The origin of Semitic and the nature of dispersals by Semitic-speaking populations are of great importance to our understanding of the ancient history of the Middle East and Horn of Africa. Semitic populations are associated with the oldest written languages and urban civilizations in the region, which gave rise to some of the world's first major religious and literary traditions. In this study, we employ Bayesian computational phylogenetic techniques recently developed in evolutionary biology to analyse Semitic lexical data by modelling language evolution and explicitly testing alternative hypotheses of Semitic history. We implement a relaxed linguistic clock to date language divergences and use epigraphic evidence for the sampling dates of extinct Semitic languages to calibrate the rate of language evolution. Our statistical tests of alternative Semitic histories support an initial divergence of Akkadian from ancestral Semitic over competing hypotheses (e.g. an African origin of Semitic). We estimate an Early Bronze Age origin for Semitic approximately 5750 years ago in the Levant, and further propose that contemporary Ethiosemitic languages of Africa reflect a single introduction of early Ethiosemitic from southern Arabia approximately 2800 years ago.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2839953/figure/fig1/

^Map of "Semitic" languages and inferred dispersals


Ethio-semitic = Ethiopian Semitic fwiw.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

What's ironic is both of you are using Eurocentric terminology when you call the language family "Afro-Asiatic". Since that term wasn't coined until the 1900's by Maurice Delafosse, a French ethnographer.

Even the term "Hamito-Semitic" wasn't coined until the 1860's.

In fact, the term "Semitic" comes from the Latin Semiticus, which was used to identify Shem. Ethiopians are Hamites.

From the same article you posted (which I coincidentally had bookmarked in my browser)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/






http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2839953/


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2839953/figure/fig1/

^Map of "Semitic" languages and inferred dispersals


Ethio-semitic = Ethiopian Semitic fwiw.

Thanks for pointing that out. But I just call it Afro-Asiatic since that is the more common word for it.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

just a pic..