Advanced Guillermo Rigondeaux analysis video by Lee Wylie

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The whole keeping Donaire in a rhythm and the switching to a half beat just fukked up everything I thought I knew about boxing.


There is so much shyt going that the untrained can't see :whew:
 

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i think he uses too many words. if you explain something to someone out of respect it should be simple. you dont have to play classical music and quote socrates. and the way he explains boxing sounds like the way martial arts people explain boxing. boxing people dont talk like that.


The whole keeping Donaire in a rhythm and the switching to a half beat just fukked up everything I thought I knew about boxing.
i want to know what did it do to donaire because donaire saw it and he blocked it

@2:15 he says rigondaeux uses a jab to "conceal a change in his elevation" which i take to mean go to the body but he might have to explain what that is to me again with some more music. he concealed it so much that ramos sees it and took a step back. in the next example he says rigondeaux concealed another change in elevation and donaire sees it and blocks it. i dont think he needed to use all those fancy words to describe that.
 
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boxing people dont talk like that.

Couldn't put my finger on why I wasn't really feeling these videos but this summed it up well.


The only vid that I did like was the one the British breh posted I forget his name but he's an amateur boxer and a BHop stan, he is always getting banned.


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watched a floyd video he put up tonight. i think a lot of things are wrong in these videos.
 

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most of the things he talks about are things that i think if you are familiar with boxing enough to follow it and comment on it you should already know but not everybody might know these things so its good to point it out. some of it is more abstract and these are the parts that are pretty interesting. he has a theory he re-uses a lot in these tutorials something he calls high line and low line attacking which is about mixing going to the head and going to the body. he says that if you mix going to the body and going to the head then a fighter wont know which way you are going to go and therefore by doing that you can hit him because now he cant differentiate high and low. he demonstrated that theory in the rigonduex video where he shows some jabs to the head then a left hand to the body. according to his theory it should have worked and the fighters shouldnt have seen it coming but they did. he has a video where he shows broner getting knocked down by a left hook from maidana because he tried to parry what he thought was a jab with his right glove instead of blocking what was really a left hook with it. because it was a jab to the body that broner tried to parry he used it to qualify his theory of low line and high line attacking but in boxing fighters get hit trying to parry jabs that are really left hooks all the time whether they are to the body or to the head or not and thats a common misread.

M4QgAIV.gif


we can see the punches on tv and we would know that thats a left hook but in fights punches are much more sudden and the fighters just see parts of punches. they dont get hit because of low line or high line they get hit because a jab right when it starts in the chest and in the shoulder can look a lot like a left hook in the chest and in the shoulder right before it starts and you can misread there. thats why you have feints. his error in the rigondeux video and the broner-maidana knockdown video tell me that he doesnt really understand this about boxing and his theories seem more removed and abstract than what is actually happening.

he had a segment in the floyd analysis video he did about countering a counter that i got really excited about because countering counterpunches is really important and misunderstood in boxing then brought up floyds pull counter which is not an example of countering a counter. there are two ways to counter. you can wait for your counter or you can create your counter. the pull counter you have to wait for the jab. an example of creating your counter would be the right hand maidana hit floyd with in their rematch that really hurt floyd when he threw a jab to create floyds pull counter then countering that with the right hand. all his examples that followed about how to counter a counter were all wrong.

heres one more thing from the floyd video he said floyd walked hatton into the check hook that knocked him out by "shortening his steps" as he got closer to the ropes. i have no idea what thats supposed to mean so maybe someone can help me out. it sounds like more abstract theory hes trying to shoehorn into whats actually going on which i guess is to sound like hes smarter than he really is. but if youre really smart then you shouldnt have to do things like that.

heres what he should have talked about for that hatton knockout from the check hook

Hpjr4Jy.gif
 
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most of the things he talks about are things that i think if you are familiar with boxing enough to follow it and comment on it you should already know but not everybody might know these things so its good to point it out. some of it is more abstract and these are the parts that are pretty interesting. he has a theory he re-uses a lot in these tutorials something he calls high line and low line attacking which is about mixing going to the head and going to the body. he says that if you mix going to the body and going to the head then a fighter wont know which way you are going to go and therefore by doing that you can hit him because now he cant differentiate high and low. he demonstrated that theory in the rigonduex video where he shows some jabs to the head then a left hand to the body. according to his theory it should have worked and the fighters shouldnt have seen it coming but they did. he has a video where he shows broner getting knocked down by a left hook from maidana because he tried to parry what he thought was a jab with his right glove instead of blocking what was really a left hook with it. because it was a jab to the body that broner tried to parry he used it to qualify his theory of low line and high line attacking but in boxing fighters get hit trying to parry jabs that are really left hooks all the time whether they are to the body or to the head or not and thats a common misread.

M4QgAIV.gif


we can see the punches on tv and we would know that thats a left hook but in fights punches are much more sudden and the fighters just see parts of punches. they dont get hit because of low line or high line they get hit because a jab right when it starts in the chest and in the shoulder can look a lot like a left hook in the chest and in the shoulder right before it starts and you can misread there. thats why you have feints. his error in the rigondeux video and the broner-maidana knockdown video tell me that he doesnt really understand this about boxing and his theories seem more removed and abstract than what is actually happening.

he had a segment in the floyd analysis video he did about countering a counter that i got really excited about because countering counterpunches is really important and misunderstood in boxing then brought up floyds pull counter which is not an example of countering a counter. there are two ways to counter. you can wait for your counter or you can create your counter. the pull counter you have to wait for the jab. an example of creating your counter would be the right hand maidana hit floyd with in their rematch that really hurt floyd when he threw a jab to create floyds pull counter then countering that with the right hand. all his examples that followed about how to counter a counter were all wrong.

heres one more thing from the floyd video he said floyd walked hatton into the check hook that knocked him out by "shortening his steps" as he got closer to the ropes. i have no idea what thats supposed to mean so maybe someone can help me out. it sounds like more abstract theory hes trying to shoehorn into whats actually going on which i guess is to sound like hes smarter than he really is. but if youre really smart then you shouldnt have to do things like that.

heres what he should have talked about for that hatton knockout from the check hook

Hpjr4Jy.gif
I agree with everything you've said. Man that gif you posted is vicious; Froch knocked dude the fukk out.
 
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