A Thomas Jefferson quote saying more than it meant to:

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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

I saw a conservative from the country-ass town I grew up in post this as his status just now. :stop:

Here's how I'm interpreting it. Dude may honestly fear his government because he has an unreasonable fear of Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama isn't where is fear should be placed because knowing what I know about this guy, Obama is not going to do anything to keep the guy who posted from living his life the way that he wants to.

That isn't to say that there shouldn't be any fear to be had at all, though. There are plenty of people to fear that aren't actually officially with the government. These people are global financiers, special operations mercenaries, and propagandists that want nothing more than to distort his view of the world in order to make him easier to brainwash.

The issue isn't whether something has the official label of "government" on it or not, the matter is if there is an intense power disparity between different parties when it comes to who makes the decisions in a society. Ron Paul fans often miss this one. They say, "WE HATE BIG GOVERNMENT!!" because they think that helping the poor hurts their freedom, but in all honesty it just doesn't affect them.

In this case, the fear of government is the result of tyranny, but in an unexpected way. Government, when working properly, serves as a foil to extremely powerful private interests that could run the risk of violating the rights of its people. Government hasn't been doing this because of deregulation over the last 30-something years, so now the powerful private interests are creating a social climate that causes people to hate and fear their own government in order to be able to accrue even more wealth and power while at the same time stamping out their final rise to the top.

There is fear of the government, and there is arguably tyranny that goes hand in hand with it. However, the tyranny is coming from the powerful moneyed interests, and unfortunately because of the fear of the government to empower itself to counter these interests, the tyranny has fertile room to grow.

The tide is turning against them, however, which is why the rich and powerful moneyed interests are acting the way that they are.

Now I know that people are going to respond with the American government doing various violent excursions overseas, but even to this I'd argue that this was because the American government wasn't powerful enough to stand up to the moneyed interests that fueled those wars because of the way that our election system works.


Am I wrong? If I am, please let me know.
 

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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

I saw a conservative from the country-ass town I grew up in post this as his status just now. :stop:

Here's how I'm interpreting it. Dude may honestly fear his government because he has an unreasonable fear of Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama isn't where is fear should be placed because knowing what I know about this guy, Obama is not going to do anything to keep the guy who posted from living his life the way that he wants to.

That isn't to say that there shouldn't be any fear to be had at all, though. There are plenty of people to fear that aren't actually officially with the government. These people are global financiers, special operations mercenaries, and propagandists that want nothing more than to distort his view of the world in order to make him easier to brainwash.

The issue isn't whether something has the official label of "government" on it or not, the matter is if there is an intense power disparity between different parties when it comes to who makes the decisions in a society. Ron Paul fans often miss this one. They say, "WE HATE BIG GOVERNMENT!!" because they think that helping the poor hurts their freedom, but in all honesty it just doesn't affect them.

In this case, the fear of government is the result of tyranny, but in an unexpected way. Government, when working properly, serves as a foil to extremely powerful private interests that could run the risk of violating the rights of its people. Government hasn't been doing this because of deregulation over the last 30-something years, so now the powerful private interests are creating a social climate that causes people to hate and fear their own government in order to be able to accrue even more wealth and power while at the same time stamping out their final rise to the top.

There is fear of the government, and there is arguably tyranny that goes hand in hand with it. However, the tyranny is coming from the powerful moneyed interests, and unfortunately because of the fear of the government to empower itself to counter these interests, the tyranny has fertile room to grow.

The tide is turning against them, however, which is why the rich and powerful moneyed interests are acting the way that they are.

Now I know that people are going to respond with the American government doing various violent excursions overseas, but even to this I'd argue that this was because the American government wasn't powerful enough to stand up to the moneyed interests that fueled those wars because of the way that our election system works.


Am I wrong? If I am, please let me know.


i agree with what you are saying here.
there are corporate and banking powers working to empower themselves by infiltrating, undermining, buying world governments in a variety of ways.

it is to the point where government and corporations and banks have almost merged and are no longer able to be seperated because they have not just attached to one another, they have mixed together like to fluids.

Mon Santos, Black Water, GE just to name a few.

as far as the military comment...Eisenhower said it best.



great thread. people need to talk about this and not just online but in real life as well.
 
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i agree with what you are saying here.
there are corporate and banking powers working to empower themselves by infiltrating, undermining, buying world governments in a variety of ways.

it is to the point where government and corporations and banks have almost merged and are no longer able to be seperated because they have not just attached to one another, they have mixed together like to fluids.

Mon Santos, Black Water, GE just to name a few.

as far as the military comment...Eisenhower said it best.

1961 SPEECH EISENHOWER WARNS US OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER - YouTube

great thread. people need to talk about this and not just online but in real life as well.

It's kind of a shame sometimes the people can't just jump into these kinds of conversations with one another. There was a Louis CK bit where he was talking about avoiding small talk with another person in the elevator and jumping straight into something intense along the lines of, "I haven't talked to my dad in 10 years."

:manny:

I wouldn't be freaked out if someone just sprung that one me, but that's because I'm also kind of weird and it wouldn't phase me?
 

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i agree with what you are saying here.
there are corporate and banking powers working to empower themselves by infiltrating, undermining, buying world governments in a variety of ways.

it is to the point where government and corporations and banks have almost merged and are no longer able to be seperated because they have not just attached to one another, they have mixed together like to fluids.

Mon Santos, Black Water, GE just to name a few.

as far as the military comment...Eisenhower said it best.

1961 SPEECH EISENHOWER WARNS US OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER - YouTube

great thread. people need to talk about this and not just online but in real life as well.
No one talks about this shyt in real life because everyone and their mommas get offended when you say something that may be contrary to their beliefs.
 

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It's kind of a shame sometimes the people can't just jump into these kinds of conversations with one another. There was a Louis CK bit where he was talking about avoiding small talk with another person in the elevator and jumping straight into something intense along the lines of, "I haven't talked to my dad in 10 years."

:manny:

I wouldn't be freaked out if someone just sprung that one me, but that's because I'm also kind of weird and it wouldn't phase me?


i stay dropping knowledge to the best of my ability to people i know and work with.

for the most part they just look at me like :dwillhuh:

but i have run into a few who :whoo: and want to know more.

anyway...tell me about your mother.
 

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i stay dropping knowledge to the best of my ability to people i know and work with.

for the most part they just look at me like :dwillhuh:

but i have run into a few who :whoo: and want to know more.

anyway...tell me about your mother.

She's the brains in the family for sure. She was raised in Chula Vista really poor, and decided that she was going to get the most out of the free public education that she had available to her though high school. She got straight A's, was captain of her sports teams, did lots of extra curricular activities, and graduated at the top of her class.

UCLA offered both her and her best friend a full scholarship. They both wound up getting their Master's Degrees there, too.

:salute:

You?
 

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She's the brains in the family for sure. She was raised in Chula Vista really poor, and decided that she was going to get the most out of the free public education that she had available to her though high school. She got straight A's, was captain of her sports teams, did lots of extra curricular activities, and graduated at the top of her class.

UCLA offered both her and her best friend a full scholarship. They both wound up getting their Master's Degrees there, too.

:salute:

You?

Pics? :ld:
 

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She's the brains in the family for sure. She was raised in Chula Vista really poor, and decided that she was going to get the most out of the free public education that she had available to her though high school. She got straight A's, was captain of her sports teams, did lots of extra curricular activities, and graduated at the top of her class.

UCLA offered both her and her best friend a full scholarship. They both wound up getting their Master's Degrees there, too.

:salute:

You?

my mom was born in and grew up in Newfoundland Canada.
took a book bag with clothes and less than $100 with her after she got her bachelors degree and bummed around Europe.

she met my dad in Spain...she is the strongest person i know.

:salute:
 

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:laff:

my mom was born in and grew up in Newfoundland Canada.
took a book bag with clothes and less than $100 with her after she got her bachelors degree and bummed around Europe.

she met my dad in Spain...she is the strongest person i know.

:salute:

It's good to have a good mother figure... it helps so much later on in life when interacting with women.
 

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i also have sisters...

i lost out on some p*ssy because i treat women with respect.

Yeah... :sadbron::to:

Live and learn, I guess. I just wish I knew not to treat all women with that kind of respect until they deserve it.

My sister is a lawyer. Guys are intimidated by that. The secure ones love that about her though.
 

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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

I saw a conservative from the country-ass town I grew up in post this as his status just now. :stop:

Here's how I'm interpreting it. Dude may honestly fear his government because he has an unreasonable fear of Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama isn't where is fear should be placed because knowing what I know about this guy, Obama is not going to do anything to keep the guy who posted from living his life the way that he wants to.

That isn't to say that there shouldn't be any fear to be had at all, though. There are plenty of people to fear that aren't actually officially with the government. These people are global financiers, special operations mercenaries, and propagandists that want nothing more than to distort his view of the world in order to make him easier to brainwash.

The issue isn't whether something has the official label of "government" on it or not, the matter is if there is an intense power disparity between different parties when it comes to who makes the decisions in a society. Ron Paul fans often miss this one. They say, "WE HATE BIG GOVERNMENT!!" because they think that helping the poor hurts their freedom, but in all honesty it just doesn't affect them.

In this case, the fear of government is the result of tyranny, but in an unexpected way. Government, when working properly, serves as a foil to extremely powerful private interests that could run the risk of violating the rights of its people. Government hasn't been doing this because of deregulation over the last 30-something years, so now the powerful private interests are creating a social climate that causes people to hate and fear their own government in order to be able to accrue even more wealth and power while at the same time stamping out their final rise to the top.

There is fear of the government, and there is arguably tyranny that goes hand in hand with it. However, the tyranny is coming from the powerful moneyed interests, and unfortunately because of the fear of the government to empower itself to counter these interests, the tyranny has fertile room to grow.

The tide is turning against them, however, which is why the rich and powerful moneyed interests are acting the way that they are.

Now I know that people are going to respond with the American government doing various violent excursions overseas, but even to this I'd argue that this was because the American government wasn't powerful enough to stand up to the moneyed interests that fueled those wars because of the way that our election system works.


Am I wrong? If I am, please let me know.



i aint read all that but your friend aint gonnna do shyt but be mad and post fb status updates. smh.​
 
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Wow can you imagine a president in 2012 dropping that knowledge that Eisenhower did? It would be political suicide and he would instantly be called "anti military" and "against the troops". How sheep we have become
 
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my mom was born in and grew up in Newfoundland Canada.
took a book bag with clothes and less than $100 with her after she got her bachelors degree and bummed around Europe.

she met my dad in Spain...she is the strongest person i know.

:salute:

Stronger then your dad?
 

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i also have sisters...

i lost out on some p*ssy because i treat women with respect.

dead ass thought I was the only one going through this right now

In my mind I'm like "Yooooo I can smut you out all crazy right now....but I can't"

fukk being rational

fukk understanding the difference between right and wrong

I blame everyone I've ever had an intelligent conversation with :leostare:
 
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