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A magician says a Democratic operative paid him to make the fake Biden New Hampshire robocall that is under investigation
Dean Phillips’ presidential campaign denounced the alleged actions of one of its consultants and said it may take legal action against him.
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A New Orleans magician says a Democratic operative paid him to make the fake Biden robocall
Dean Phillips’ presidential campaign denounced the alleged actions of one of its consultants and said it may take legal action against him.![Photo collage of Joe Biden and the man behind the New Hampshire robocalls Photo collage of Joe Biden and the man behind the New Hampshire robocalls](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-02/240222-biden-robocall-lr-2af09d.jpg)
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Feb. 23, 2024, 5:00 AM EST / Updated Feb. 23, 2024, 1:34 PM EST
By Alex Seitz-Wald
NEW ORLEANS — A Democratic consultant who worked for a rival presidential campaign paid a New Orleans magician to use artificial intelligence to impersonate President Joe Biden for a robocall that is now at the center of a multistate law enforcement investigation, according to text messages, call logs and Venmo transactions the creator shared with NBC News.
Paul Carpenter says he was hired in January by Steve Kramer — who has worked on ballot access for Democratic presidential candidate Dean Phillips — to use AI software to make the imitation of Biden’s voice urging New Hampshire Democrats not to vote in the state’s presidential primary.
“I created the audio used in the robocall. I did not distribute it,” Carpenter said in an interview in New Orleans, where he is currently residing. “I was in a situation where someone offered me some money to do something, and I did it. There was no malicious intent. I didn’t know how it was going to be distributed.”
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Carpenter — who holds world records in fork-bending and straitjacket escapes, but has no fixed address — showed NBC News how he created the fake Biden audio and said he came forward because he regrets his involvement in the ordeal and wants to warn people about how easy it is to use AI to mislead.
Creating the fake audio took less than 20 minutes and cost only $1, he said, for which he was paid $150, according to Venmo payments from Kramer and his father, Bruce Kramer, that he shared.
“It’s so scary that it’s this easy to do,” Carpenter said. “People aren’t ready for it.”
Carpenter shared what he says is the original audio file created with Eleven Labs that appears to be a complete and higher quality version of the recording of the call NBC News previously reported.
The robocall has drawn intense attention from New Hampshire and federal law enforcement officials for possibly violating state voter suppression and federal telecom laws. Officials have mentioned the name of a Dallas company that was used to place the automatic phone calls to voters ahead of the state’s primary and have vowed to investigate, citing a desire to make an example of those involved in the first known example of an AI-generated deepfake being deployed maliciously in an American political campaign. Authorities have not named Carpenter or Steve Kramer as targets of their investigation.
After publication, a spokesperson for New Hampshire's attorney general declined to comment, but said, "Our investigation remains active and ongoing."
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Steve Kramer is a longtime political operative, having worked for dozens of campaigns over 20 years including the 2020 presidential campaign of Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West.Steve Kramer initially did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Days later, he said he would wait to speak on the matter until he publishes an opinion piece on Saturday. "My op-Ed will explain all," he said in a text.
The Phillips campaign and the candidate himself expressed outrage when asked about Steve Kramer’s alleged involvement, saying they will never work with him again and may pursue legal action if the allegations are confirmed.
NBC News has seen no evidence that the campaign directed Steve Kramer to produce or disseminate the robocall.
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Federal Election Commission records show that Steve Kramer was paid $259,946 by Phillips' campaign in December and January. The payments were for ballot access work in New York and Pennsylvania, which includes canvassing for the signatures necessary to qualify for the ballot. The campaign said the work included production and distribution of a robocall that featured Phillips’ voice.
Payments listed in their campaign finance filings indicated Steve Kramer did get-out-the-vote work
“If it is true that Mr. Kramer had any involvement in the creation of deepfake robocalls, he did so of his own volition which had nothing to do with our campaign,” Phillips' press secretary Katie Dolan said. “The fundamental notion of our campaign is the importance of competition, choice, and democracy. We are disgusted to learn that Mr. Kramer is allegedly behind this call, and if the allegations are true, we absolutely denounce his actions.”
Phillips’ campaign said its relationship with Steve Kramer ended several weeks ago, after he completed his contract to gather signatures to help the candidate get on the ballot in his assigned states and there had been no communication with him by late Thursday.
Biden campaign senior adviser Liz Purdy said in a post-publication statement that the campaign is "hyper vigilant" about the "urgent threat" of disinformation.
"We support efforts, including by New Hampshire law enforcement, to hold those who want to disrupt our democratic elections accountable," she added.