The War Report
NewNewYork
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWtDMPaRD8&feature=plcp"]The Hunted and the Hated: An Inside Look at the NYPD's Stop-and-Frisk Policy - YouTube[/ame]
A Look Inside The NYPD's Stop-and-Frisk Policy
- Thread starter The War Report
- Start date
Getting stopped for no reason other than the way u look gotta be one of the worst feelings.
filial_piety
Banned
Devil's advocate says that young black and latino males contribute to over 85% of the violent crime in NYC. I honestly can't say that I disagree with Stop and Frisk.
I don't know if that statistic is accurate but you think stop and frisk is geared towards stopping violent crime? To me it seems like its purpose is to lock up non-whites for non-violent drug possession.
what about the 98+% of the people stopped and frisked without a weapon?
filial_piety
Banned
Heard similar arguments before...it's also meant as a crime prevention method and not just a random check to catch people.
filial_piety
Banned
It's a stat that has been quoted by some of the more less than politically correct advocates of S&F. Drug distribution and violent crime go hand in hand, it's the leading cause of an inordinate amount of minority arrests, deaths etc. S&F allegeldy reduces weapon and drug possesions in high crime "hot spots."
filial_piety
Banned
Mind you, I don't support S&F of grandma in her Sunday's best...but if a gang wearing yellow squirts up a playground with a semi auto catching a 4 year old with a stray...then I can't exactly blame the cops for stopping and frisking kids wearing yellow in said playground.
Sweet James
Pro
Stop and Frisk does more harm than good, because the police solve very little crime, without the public's help, regardless.
You think the 98 to 99% that end up getting released because they've done nothing wrong, are going to cooperate with the police, when the time comes.
filial_piety
Banned
They weren't cooperating regardless
Overall, if we took more responsibility for the condition of our neighborhoods, extreme measures such as these wouldn't even need to exist.
Sweet James
Pro
They weren't cooperating regardless
Overall, if we took more responsibility for the condition of our neighborhoods, extreme measures such as these wouldn't even need to exist.
It said at the 7:30 mark....
"Out of the 600,000 people that were stopped last year, only 1% ended up having weapons"
So your telling me that not one person in all of the 594,000 people who were stop and frisked last year; and were found to have nothing, would have NEVER cooperated with the police anyways.
Walking around with a dime bag qualifies as drug distribution?
Myth #1 : Stop-and-Frisk reduces crime and keeps people safer.
http://www.nyclu.org/node/1598
“[Stop-and-Frisk] is a program that is effective… you used to not be able to walk down the streets of this city safely and today you can walk every neighborhood during the day and most neighborhoods at night. .” – Ray Kelly
FACT: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City’s stop-and-frisk regime, and the small number of arrests, summonses, and guns recovered demonstrates that the practice is ineffective. Crime data also do not support the claim that New York City is safer because of the practice. While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore.
Stop-and-Frisk abuses corrode trust between the police and communities, which makes everyone less safe. Don’t believe us? Then listen to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly in 2000: “[A] large reservoir of good will was under construction when I left the Police Department in 1994. It was called community policing. But it was quickly abandoned for tough-sounding rhetoric and dubious stop-and-frisk tactics that sowed new seeds of community mistrust.”
A lot of good it does there if most guns found are found on people outside of stop & frisk hotspots. And even if you accept the department's argument that this is because criminals stop carrying weapons in neighborhoods that are hotspots, how much crime is being prevented if cats carrying guns simply move to nearby neighborhoods?
And if this article is to be believed, they're recovering less guns off the street than they did ten years ago, while the number of shootings hasn't dropped at all. And all while the number of stops has risen in the same timeframe.
Between all of the evidence of pressure to meet quotas within the department and all of the gunplay that took place this past summer in NYC, stop & frisk continues to show itself to be a terrible and ineffective law enforcement policy.
fukk the nypd walked out my mom crib back in the dayz and like 5 cops ran up me in the store talking about "I fit the description of a shooting that just happened"