5 Ugly Abraham Lincoln Facts No One Likes to Talk About

Doobie Doo

Veteran
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
59,154
Reputation
22,525
Daps
383,726
Reppin
Raleigh, NC

5 Ugly Abraham Lincoln Facts No One Likes to Talk About​

Margeaux Sippell
Wed, January 22, 2025 at 12:25 AM EST·5 min read
2.3k

Abraham Lincoln was an American hero — but a flawed one. As we celebrate his essential contributions to our country, let's also acknowledge some ugly truths that reflect the times in which our our 16th president lived.

But First, Yes, Of Course, We Know​


Credit: C/O
Of course President Lincoln was far more advanced in his time than many of his white contemporaries. Juneteenth marks the day in 1865 that Gordon Granger, a general in the Union Army, led thousands of Union troops into Galveston, Texas, to enforce Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation ordering the end of slavery.
Context is important. Lincoln took a bold and courageous stand for his time.
But it's also important to understand our country's real history, and not just the most cheerful version of it. So here are some ugly truths about Lincoln, that go along with the laudable ones.

Lincoln Cared More About Preserving the Union Than Ending Slavery​


Credit: C/O
Lincoln's main goal during his presidency, which began just before the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, was to preserve the Union — not to free slaves.
Christopher Bonner, a historian at the University of Maryland, says in Netflix's historical documentary Amend: "Lincoln understands that slavery is bad, which is a good start. But he says that if I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do so."
"He has got to get the South back, and at this point, he'll do whatever it takes to win, even if it's at the expense of Black Americans," Smith says of Lincoln's thinking at the time.
You don't have to take the documentary's word for it. You can read Lincoln's August 22, 1862 letter here, in which he states: "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

He Didn't Always View People of Color as Equals​


Abraham Lincoln on February 9, 1864. Library of Congress - Credit: C/O
In 1861, Abraham Lincoln invited a group of African-American leaders to the White House, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner. But instead of having a discussion about improving racial equality in America, he further underscored their inequality.
In Amend, Pedro Pascal reads the address that Lincoln delivered that day.
"Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people," he said. "But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

Lincoln Blamed the Civil War on Black Americans​


President Lincoln, writing the Proclamation of Freedom. January 1st, 1863 / painted by David Gilmour Blythe. Library of Congress. - Credit: C/O
In his aforementioned address, Abraham Lincoln continued:
"Consider what we know to be the truth, but for your race among us, there could not be war."
Again, you don't have to rely on Netflix to research this. Here is a link to a primary source, "Lincoln's Address on Colonization to a Deputation of Colored Men."

Lincoln Wanted to Relocate Freed Black Americans to a Colony in Central America​


"Lincoln at home," an Andrew O'Connor portrait of Lincoln and family. Library of Congress - Credit: C/O
"There is an unwillingness on the part of our people, harsh at it may be, for you, free colored people, to remain with us," Lincoln added. "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated. The place I am thinking about having for a colony is Central America."
Yes, at one point, Lincoln wanted to remove Black people from the U.S. altogether.
"Part of what Lincoln is doing here is trying to get at that gnawing uncertainty in Black people that maybe we can't actually belong in this country," Bonner notes. "He's saying, we all understand that equality is what this country's supposed to be about, but really, racial equality is not gonna happen, so get with the program."

More Detail​


Mural of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass by William Edouard Scott, at the Recorder of Deeds building, built in 1943. Library of Congress. - Credit: C/O
Frederick Douglass, the famed abolitionist who traveled the country speaking about his own experiences as a freed former slave, was furious at Lincoln, according to Bonner.
His solution? To convince Lincoln that he needed Black Americans to win the war, thus encouraging white Americans to view Black Americans as equals.
Douglass argued that Lincoln couldn't win the war without abolishing slavery and that Black men were essential to the war effort, saying that men "who would be freed themselves must strike the blow." His logic was that if Black men shed their blood to fight for their country, then they must be considered citizens. (The painting above depicts him urging Lincoln to let Black men fight for the Union Army.)
"Douglass is convinced they will prove they are citizens, that they're deserving of rights, and that they're deserving of legal equality," Bonner adds.

The Main Reason Abraham Lincoln Signed the Emancipation Proclamation? To Win the War​


"Storming Fort Wagner," Kurz and Allison, Library of Congress - Credit: C/O
Douglass' plan worked: Although at the time Lincoln couldn't "conceive of the United States as a biracial society," as Foner points out, "his views will begin to move forward very dramatically."
Foner adds: "The Emancipation Proclamation is issued as a military order. It's to help win the war."
The painting above depicts the 54th Massachusetts Regiment, the first all-Black Union regiment, fighting for their country and freedom.


 

Luke Cage

Coffee Lover
Supporter
Joined
Jul 18, 2012
Messages
50,152
Reputation
18,255
Daps
258,111
Reppin
Harlem
Some of these facts are wildly inaccurate. I think they are opinions claimed by contemporaries of lincoln rather than Lincoln himself.


Lincoln was a poor sharecropper as a child. He actually grew up hating slavery. not because of how black people were treated though, but because he felt like the south had an unfair advantage using free labor. he every intention of ending slavery and not just to win the war. This is well documented.
Most of the thing he says above are purely political meant to assuage fears from a society that see blacks as subhuman. He couldn't come talking about black people on some MLK shyt in 1860 without the risk of turning pretty much everyone against. And even with these takes he was still assassinated,

people got to learn to understand context instead of trying to view everything with a modern lense. This lack of comprehension is the reason why some people think the republican party is the same party as the democratic republican party from that era. simply because they have the same name,
 
Last edited:

Hater Eraser

Veteran
Joined
Dec 31, 2016
Messages
14,694
Reputation
9,342
Daps
90,342
Reppin
That California Lifestyle ...
e3b2897dc83b2d94079eb864deec266e5a403048.jpg




800px-50_USD_Series_2004_Note_Front.jpg


confederate-general-robert-e-lee-surrenders-at-appomattox-court-house.jpg


f7b915a8-e1a9-4a5a-8281-cce08ad49d38-full16x9_AreplicaoftheDukesofHazardcarwasinvolvedinacrashinTaneyCountyMissouri.WesternTaneyCountyFireProtectionDistrict4.jpg
 
Last edited:

TRUEST

Superstar
Joined
May 17, 2012
Messages
14,597
Reputation
2,758
Daps
55,427
Reppin
NULL
His decision to free the slaves was finalized, when he went to his generals house to talk about the ongoing civil war. The general was sympathetic to the south and clearly wasn’t trying to win for his side, the north. Lincoln went to his house and waited. A long while. When the general arrived home and was informed of the highly esteemed guest, instead of going to welcome the president he went to sleep.

After that. Lincoln said fucck it.

So, while Lincoln said a lot of things that sound funny, I believe he said a lot of it to soothe the fears of some whites who weren’t outright racists. He needed solid support and you can only get that by appealing to the superiority complex of those around you.

I’m not making any excuses for him. But think of the climate of the 1800s. He got to be president by being clever. And being clever means twisting and bending things to lubricate and facilitate the forward movement of resolutions that are dear to your heart.
 

lowkey0z

Veteran
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
8,283
Reputation
5,616
Daps
79,381
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union

 

Sleepy Floyd

Superstar
Joined
May 25, 2022
Messages
5,942
Reputation
1,637
Daps
24,689
Reppin
Houston, Texas
The same Lincoln who invited Frederick Douglass into the White House

Lincoln was literally assassinated because he gave a speech that proposed that educated black men and soldiers in the UCST be given the right to vote..

The racist cacs who wrote that article have a weird agenda

I've noticed a lot of similar propaganda regarding Martin Luther King Jr. lately on the Threads app
 

The Fade

I don’t argue with niqqas on the Internet anymore
Joined
Nov 18, 2016
Messages
24,173
Reputation
7,497
Daps
131,519
I think when they were talking about it in Europe them mother fukkers didnt support it unless lincoln won certain battles because freeing the slaves would be "cheating"
 

MostReal

Bandage Hand Steph
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
25,347
Reputation
3,362
Daps
57,288
The same Lincoln who invited Frederick Douglass into the White House

Lincoln was literally assassinated because he gave a speech that proposed that educated black men and soldiers in the UCST be given the right to vote..

The racist cacs who wrote that article have a weird agenda

I've noticed a lot of similar propaganda regarding Martin Luther King Jr. lately on the Threads app

the underlined is becoming more and more prevalent deliberately done imo.
 

MostReal

Bandage Hand Steph
Joined
May 18, 2012
Messages
25,347
Reputation
3,362
Daps
57,288
Andrew Johnson is the one that needs the rage directed to. He single handedly made sure reconstruction for the newly freed black folks would fail. Trump trying to do the same thing for non whites in general with the shyt he is doing

Trump is definitely the Andrew Johnson type, the Regan type... amazing how history repeats itself

different faces Hiram Revels/Obama, same players.
 

GatorStaceyAdams

All Star
Supporter
Joined
Feb 19, 2013
Messages
2,994
Reputation
760
Daps
9,033
Reppin
NYC (but PGH will forever be home)
Andrew Johnson is the one that needs the rage directed to. He single handedly made sure reconstruction for the newly freed black folks would fail. Trump trying to do the same thing for non whites in general with the shyt he is doing

Yep.

The one true, and incredibly significant, mistake Lincoln made was appointing Johnson as VP in order to pacify the Southern states.

That decision effectively destroyed reconstruction and ushered in a whole new era of oppression. We would be exponentially further ahead as a people if Andrew Johnson had not been president. :francis:
 
Top