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lib123

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Biden is still considered a normal center left white man. Not some woke guy the right tries to make him out to be. That will always resonate with white voters.

Kamala is a black/indian woman that doesn't have much likeability and would likely have the image of being more left than Biden. She would face the issues of racism and sexism. There are thousands upon thousands of people that will not vote for a woman as President. Her being black makes it even more likely they don't vote. She would need to be a once in a generation talent like Obama to overcome this, and she's not. Kamala would lose the total white women vote by an even bigger margin than Clinton or Biden. And she would lose white men by a bigger margin too.

The white people we are talking about are independent, middle of the road or moderate conservative voters.
Trying to solve that problem by having a perfect VP that can provide appeal to these voters and in the Midwest doesn't work when she's at the top of the ticket. Because in this unique case, the spotlight is all on her and she would be demonized to death. The VP wouldn't matter.

There is no possible way she gets to 270.

Yeah a lot of people on here who think Kamala is a viable alternative haven't interacted with these demo's while they've let their guard down.
 

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:mjcry: i don't know, brehs. do you REALLY think she can beat trump in the swing states?


At this point I don't think she'd do any worse then Biden :manny:

There would be some obvious :mjpls: but at least she'd be able to debate Trump competently and make some kind of attempt to shore up the base. Maybe diss Netanyahu and try to get some of the anti-Israel vote back. I don't see there being a huge number of people who would vote for Biden but not Kamala at this point, most people on that wave are voting Trump regardless.

But I'm not saying she beats Trump. Only that if she loses, Biden probably loses too.
 

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Female reproductive rights has been the main issue and republicans have been taking L’s at the ballot box… you don’t have an iota wtf you are talking about
That's state and local nothing to do with presidential which is the entire electorate You have no clue what you're talking about
 

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Why don't you tell us how to win motherfukker. Tired of you bums just posing question after question. How bout you give us your path to victory (spoilers: you don't have one)
Joe Biden is removed from the ticket one way or another (heart attack gun, Fredo Corleone boat ride with Obama, jangling set of keys in front of him all the way to Delaware, etc). His handlers write a statement in his name saying he has been proud to serve this country but now it is time to transition to a new generation of leadership to finish the job he started and end the next-generation threat that the fascist MAGA-right is trying to kill the country with, which is why he supports his Vice-President Kamala Harris to take over the job and become the nominee. All of the Democratic Senators and Representatives and Media who are dealing death-blows to Biden's corpse right now stop and the news story becomes about the new Democratic nominee and what her plans are. She comes out with a major media blitz talking about her experience in the White House and how her background in the law as a prosecutor means she can convict Trump at the ballot box. Now we're back to talking about all of Trump's criminality instead of Biden's dementia. She barnstorms the country talking about Project 2025 and highlights all of the ways they're trying to turn the country into a fascist hellhole. Now we're talking about how fukked up the Trump Administration would be instead of Biden being bled out by his own party.

The DNC can now feature all the Democratic All-Stars like Whitmer, Newsom, Moore, Shapiro, Beshear, etc coming out and displaying their own specific talents and how they're all united in their support for Kamala instead of wasting their time on the backfoot defending Biden. Kamala ends the convention by nominating Beshear as her Vice-President. Now we have a news cycle about how Kamala will have by her side this bland white man and his god-fearing family from a deep red state to calm the fears of racist whites and black folks who are guided by those fears.

The Harris/Beshear ticket is the youngest ticket in the history of either party, drawing a stark contrast with Trump, the oldest candidate in history with old ideas of bringing America back to past instead of a bright future. The fundraising spigot gets turned back on and they are able to use the existing Biden/Harris war chest to blanket the airwaves with the Harris/Beshear message for 4 months. They are able to infuse the Democratic Party with youth and vigor, bringing back into the fold a significant portion of the moral abstainers because Kamala was not on the forefront of Biden's Israel policy and was one of the first major Democratic officials to call for an immediate ceasefire back in March. Harris is free to adopt her own signature policies without being too burdened by Biden's inflation record.

Come November, the Democratic Party is completely unified behind the Harris/Beshear ticket, and has been hammering Trump on his weak spots of criminality, abortion, Project 2025 for months. Largely driven by anti-Trump sentiment, the Harris/Beshear ticket breaks the Biden/Harris record and receives the largest popular vote win in American history. Trump is defeated again and we inaugurate the first female President in American history, continuing the Obama legacy.

Hillary Clinton commits suicide in a cabin in the Adirondack Mountains after watching Kamala being sworn in.
 

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At this point I don't think she'd do any worse then Biden :manny:

There would be some obvious :mjpls: but at least she'd be able to debate Trump competently and make some kind of attempt to shore up the base. Maybe diss Netanyahu and try to get some of the anti-Israel vote back. I don't see there being a huge number of people who would vote for Biden but not Kamala at this point, most people on that wave are voting Trump regardless.

But I'm not saying she beats Trump. Only that if she loses, Biden probably loses too.

if you believe she can be president, then vote for biden because she's already in the line of succession. :manny:
 
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