2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread

[taker597]

This is what she actually said:



Kamala was clearly pissed that she was even asked that question (because it's a dumb question). Fukk Politico for that headline.

@taker597 @Outlaw

I thought we all knew this. The whole interview was trash question one after another.

 

[taker597]

 

[Piff Perkins]

 

[wire28]

Alex Wagner had this segment in a barbershop in Philly. When them nikkas got to arguing her face was hilarious

 

[taker597]

 

[Trips]

Dems keep moving right because the Progressive left don't vote consistently.

You can't pull them to your side if you don't show that you will continue voting.

Dems chase the center and the center right because that area continually votes.

 

[acri1]

After this election is over, the Left really can clamp down on Climate Change.

• US going through major to severe droughts, which will lead to crop failure
• Hurricanes becoming more severe
• Rising sea levels
• Insurance Companies pulling out of states
• Record breaking temperatures

You can jump in Israel by pushing for less Petroleum-fuel sources, and more Solar and Wind.

Unfortunately, even in the best scenario, there are two reasons I doubt much will happen on climate change -

1. The main (and most consistent) issue is that Republicans in the House and Senate will obstruct any climate change legislation. Even if Dems manage to hold the Senate the GOP will still have more than enough seats to obstruct.

2. Assuming Kamala wins, the Supreme Court will block any executive actions of consequence.


I'd love to see more action on climate but it's hard to see happening

 

[voiture]

If Harris loses Joe Manchin or Beshear will be the nominee.
They will pick a southern democrat...Bill Clinton experiment.
Most young voters are to blame....they don't vote.

 

[the cac mamba]

i mean, if kamala loses the general election, it's because the majority (or whatever you wanna call the group that decided it) was to the right of her

so the answer to kamala losing would not be more green new deal and rainbow stuff

 

[88m3]

These Americans Want Out

Thousands of readers shared frustrations, fears and disappointments with American politics, and how they are able to live and work in another country.

www.nytimes.com

pretty crazy read, I'm halfway through and people are all over the spectrum in it


I almost fell out of my chair at this one

Ms. Malone, a Bernie Sanders supporter who said she voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen in 2020, is undecided for this election. She sees Mr. Trump as a threat to women, and Democrats as a threat to Jews, saying, “If the Democrats win, I’m definitely never coming back.”

 

[the cac mamba]

These Americans Want Out

Thousands of readers shared frustrations, fears and disappointments with American politics, and how they are able to live and work in another country.

www.nytimes.com

pretty crazy read, I'm halfway through and people are all over the spectrum in it

sounds like this thread

 

[AquaCityBoy]

They're moving right right now

 

[MushroomX]

These Americans Want Out

Thousands of readers shared frustrations, fears and disappointments with American politics, and how they are able to live and work in another country.

www.nytimes.com

Truth be told... and lets use France... if you like French culture vs. American, then they are making the right choice. If your leaving the States because of bad shyt, your making a stupid financial investment.

 

[MushroomX]

Jon Bois (@jonbois.bsky.social)

he's like when a battlebot's weapon falls off and it spends the rest of the match just kinda having a nice little drive around the arena [contains quote post or other embedded content]

bsky.app

 

[mastermind]

Seemingly context clues indicate that hamas leader is one aspect of a step by step process.


I also made alot more points that better demonstrated the logical fallacy of not voting on the basis of thinking she wants to continue the war. you can't refute any of that, so you are hung up thinking you have a "gotcha" on one aspect of my post, which btw...was referring to the fact that she met up with Bibi about planning ceasefire

I've never seen a nikka so unwilling to have a productive conversation. Running interference for why he doesn't want to vote, because you value palestenians over black and women's rights lol make it make sense.

FIrst, I don't actually care how anyone votes. My post never said how people should vote and I don't say that on this thread because I don't actually care.

Second, you don't actually know what the "ceasefire" proposal is:
Its the same thing as the "temporary pause" Biden floated in the winter and then the fake ceasefire proposal he proposed in May. The link you shared earlier was when Biden went around saying a deal was almost done back in July. (Its October, btw)

Biden details a 3-phase hostage deal aimed at winding down the Israel-Hamas war

President Joe Biden has detailed a three-phase deal proposed by Israel to Hamas militants that he says would lead to the end of the Mideast war.

apnews.com

Biden said the first phase of the proposed deal would would last for six weeks and would include a “full and complete cease-fire,” a withdrawal of Israeli forces from all densely populated areas of Gaza and the release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly and the wounded, in exchange for the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

American hostages would be released at this stage, and remains of hostages who have been killed would be returned to their families. Humanitarian assistance would surge during the first phase, with 600 trucks being allowed into Gaza each day.

The second phase would include the release of all remaining living hostages, including male soldiers, and Israeli forces would withdraw from Gaza.

“And as long as Hamas lives up to its commitments, the temporary cease-fire would become, in the words of the Israeli proposal, ‘the cessation of hostilities permanently,’” Biden said.

The third phase calls for the start of a major reconstruction of Gaza, which faces decades of rebuilding from devastation caused by the war. The 4-1/2 page Israeli proposal was transmitted to Hamas on Thursday.

Guess who agreed with these terms and guess who didn't (hint, its the nation we are giving weapons too to enact a genocide):

Hamas says ceasefire must be based on group’s July response

The group says any deal must be based on the response it gave last month to President Biden's plan.

www.bbc.com

Negotiations resumed a week later, with Hamas accusing Israel of introducing new conditions.

Hamas sources told the BBC that the introduction of the new conditions - that displaced Palestinians should be screened as they return to the north of Gaza, as well as the question of control of the Philadelphi corridor that borders Egypt - have been sticking points.

It has also been widely reported in the Israeli press that these new demands were made by Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and that they have caused friction with his negotiating team.

Last week, international mediators from Qatar, Egypt and the US urged Israel and Hamas to resume urgent discussions on the ceasefire and hostage release deal on 15 August.

And guess who has said they agree with what Biden is doing and who is leaking that she won't change from Biden's policies? (hint: Biden's vice president who is currently running for President)

At least inform yourself of what's happening before you type.

I will even add this:

‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum

Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza, lays out PM's alleged political meddling that led him to quit last month

www.timesofisrael.com

What was the atmosphere like?

“We left the meeting very disappointed because Netanyahu talked about dismantling Hamas as the goal of the war. He didn’t promise anything regarding the demand to return the hostages. He merely said a military operation in Gaza was needed to serve as leverage for the hostages’ release.

“We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”

Hamas chief: all Israeli hostages for all Palestinian prisoners

Sinwar’s first statement since onset of war dismissed by IDF spokesperson as ‘psychological terror cynically used by Hamas to create pressure’

www.ynetnews.com

Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip Yahya Sinwar said Saturday evening that his terrorist group was ready to immediately release all the Israeli hostages it holds in exchange for the release of "all our prisoners held in your prisons."

"We are ready to immediately conclude a prisoner exchange deal that involves releasing all our prisoners held in your prisons in exchange for freeing all captives held by the resistance," he said.

legislative control matters in regards to the arms embargo. Can't really cease fire without doing that major part to ensure it happens. That requires legislative control. So what the fukk are you talking about?

So say I don't provide you with the exact plan, then what? You feel justified in not voting? You think that demonstrates she doesn't want a ceasefire? There is more evidence indicating otherwise. You're being unproductive. If you want to fulfill our stereotype of not voting just say that lol

This is why this forum is goofy. What did that Lloyd Austin and Blinken fake try-hard letter to Israel say?

Here:

Stern U.S. letter prompts Israel to allow first aid into northern Gaza this month. Will it last?

Analysis: Provision 620I of the Foreign Assistance Act prevents the U.S. government from giving military assistance to a country restricting the delivery of humanitarian aid unless it triggers a legal waiver relating to national security interests.

www.nbcnews.com

In a letter Sunday to Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Minister of Strategic Affairs Ron Dermer, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said that the U.S. must continually assess under its law whether Israel is “directly or indirectly” impeding the transport of U.S. humanitarian assistance to Gaza. If it is, they warned that the U.S. could halt additional foreign military financing, according to two U.S. officials and a defense official.

They are capping because they have no intention of shutting down weapons flow and don't care about humanitarian aid (as Blinken showed when he lied to Congress about Israel not stopping humanitarian aid into Gaza because that would have violated the Leahy Act), but it shows they don't need "legislator control" or any other term you made up to sound smart. The US gives Israel 3.8 billion in military budget yet somehow has given them a record of AT LEAST 17.8 billion since Oct. 7, 2023.

U.S. military aid for Israel tops $17.9 billion since last Oct. 7

The United States has spent a record of at least $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since the war in Gaza began and led to escalating conflict around the Middle East.

www.pbs.org

Harris could lay out a plan, criticize Israel, outline a plan for Palestinian self-determination, etc. She hasn't because she doesn't care just like Biden. It's okay to be honest with yourself and say that. And its even better to be honest with yourself and say you don't care about an ethnic cleansing and war crime campaign like Isreal is committing with our aid. What I don't like is the fake concern you people show and your lack of questioning of the people you want to vote for. Just like with Trump being a monster, not questioning the people you vote for is also how democracy perishes.


edit: lastly, I never said I wasn't voting. My post asked you to lay out what the ceasefire plan is.