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"The actual model for “1984″ was Stalin’s USSR of circa 1948. No regimes today (maybe North Korea) can match the total police-state fear of Russia at the height of the purges, which Orwell was extrapolating into the future as if the Communists had achieved their goal of supplanting the democracies of the West.

Still, conservatives have always sensed pretty clearly that the contemporary liberal-left is a lot closer to Bolshevism then it would ever acknowledge, or even understand. (This after the 1930s, in which the “parlor pinks”, the “limousine liberals” of that era, were explicitly pro-Soviet.)

Lefties don’t really agree with pluralism- the imperative to live and let live alongside lifestyles or opinions they disagree with. They want to stamp them out. Like Marxism, and its offshoots feminism, environmentalism, and related isms, it represents an ersatz religion, a secular system of belief that, like religions, has difficulty coexisting with apostates.

Certain quarters of the right- religious nuts most prominently, but also extreme nationalists (who trend toward fascism) share the same trait. But generally the right has more libertarian and realist DNA in its makeup than the left. Even traditionalism (think Burke) implies a tolerance for the quirks and failings of humanity, not a Utopian desire to eradicate them in the name of abstractions. Certainly today, when the left has already won most of the social battles of the last 50 years, the right can either accept those victories as new traditions, or retreat into a crankish fantasy land. (Note to the GOP: choose wisely.)

So Obama-era liberalism, as viewed and amplified through sage NYT reportage, Stewart/Colbert amen-corner mockery, Vanity Fair puffery, or “we’re-smarter-than-you” sites like Slate, Salon, and countless others, collectively amount to a shockingly intolerant sort of groupthink- intolerant of precisely those values and institutions that built the country into a world power and industrial leader. A Freudian/generational perspective might add that those values were more or less those of the parents of the Boomers, who rebelled against them in their adolescence 45 years ago and, in a sense, never really stopped doing so.

No gulags, but control of the media/entertainment/legal/political levers of society amount to a deck seriously stacked against the “proles”.

I suppose my motivation was to show that, in point of fact, there is a pretty clear link between Orwell and today’s lefties with blinkers."
 

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Source your quotes, breh : Orwell, Updated | Chateau Heartiste

It was a comment from this blog : Chateau Heartiste

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Orwell, Updated
July 15, 2013 by CH

Male is female. Observation is illusion. Diversity is strength.

If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles.
It's funny because the quote could be read either way.
The proletarians are the basis of every leftist ideologies fighting against corporations. USSR may have been the model but every dictatorship no matter which ideology it uses to ease the pain, relies on the same methods. Dude's post is clearly filled with an agenda, you could clearly said the same thing about Dubya's era.

Let's take a look :
"The actual model for “1984″ was Bush's USA of circa 2001. No regimes today (maybe North Korea) can match the total police-state fear of USA at the height of the War on Terror era, which Orwell was extrapolating into the future as if the Neo-cons had achieved their goal of supplanting the democracies of the West.

Still, liberals have always sensed pretty clearly that the contemporary conservative-right is a lot closer to Pinochet then it would ever acknowledge, or even understand. (This after the 2000s, in which the Neo-conservatives of that era, were explicitly authoritarian.)

[...] (a little lazy :D)

No gulags, but control of the media/entertainment/legal/political levers of society amount to a deck seriously stacked against the “proles”. (-> Fox-News anyone ?)

I suppose my motivation was to show that, in point of fact, there is a pretty clear link between Orwell and today’s righties with blinkers."

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I always hated the fact that people shat on communism, socialism and/or leftist ideologies because off all the dictators that USED those ideologies to fulfill their thirst of power.
 

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Source your quotes, breh : Orwell, Updated | Chateau Heartiste

It was a comment from this blog : Chateau Heartiste

And from this post

It's funny because the quote could be read either way.
The proletarians are the basis of every leftist ideologies fighting against corporations. USSR may have been the model but every dictatorship no matter which ideology it uses to ease the pain, relies on the same methods. Dude's post is clearly filled with an agenda, you could clearly said the same thing about Dubya's era.

Let's take a look :
"The actual model for “1984″ was Bush's USA of circa 2001. No regimes today (maybe North Korea) can match the total police-state fear of USA at the height of the War on Terror era, which Orwell was extrapolating into the future as if the Neo-cons had achieved their goal of supplanting the democracies of the West.

Still, liberals have always sensed pretty clearly that the contemporary conservative-right is a lot closer to Pinochet then it would ever acknowledge, or even understand. (This after the 2000s, in which the Neo-conservatives of that era, were explicitly authoritarian.)

[...] (a little lazy :D)

No gulags, but control of the media/entertainment/legal/political levers of society amount to a deck seriously stacked against the “proles”. (-> Fox-News anyone ?)

I suppose my motivation was to show that, in point of fact, there is a pretty clear link between Orwell and today’s righties with blinkers."

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I always hated the fact that people shat on communism, socialism and/or leftist ideologies because off all the dictators that USED those ideologies to fulfill their thirst of power.



Every leader that has a communist/marxist background has ended up killing a lot of people, or abusing human rights, drastically. (And don't quote chateau because there are a lot of racist scum bags in the comments section, and i don't want people here going "oh look, Odyssey is just a racist!" Like people so love to do when they discuss politics. Some of the people there disgust me, to be quite honest, but a lot of content provides an articulate viewpoint that goes against the Liberal Hivemind. The writer of that blog needs to throw that HBD stuff in the garbage though, shyt is trash).
 

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Every leader that has a communist/marxist background has ended up killing a lot of people, or abusing human rights, drastically. (And don't quote chateau because there are a lot of racist scum bags in the comments section, and i don't want people here going "oh look, Odyssey is just a racist!" Like people so love to do when they discuss politics. Some of the people there disgust me, to be quite honest, but a lot of content provides an articulate viewpoint that goes against the Liberal Hivemind. The writer of that blog needs to throw that HBD stuff in the garbage though, shyt is trash).
I understand your point, don't worry.
What I'm trying to say is do you really believe Stalin believed in communism ?
Do you really believe the Chinese leaders these days believe in communism ?

Every authoritarian regime abuse human rights drastically and kills opposants by the thousand. Communist or not. I'm sorry but look at all the latin-american dictatorships (Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Panama...) or even in Europe (Franco's Spain, Salazar's Portugal or Mussolini's Italy). This was the point of the last sentence.
 

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Also, i don't think your observation that this quote could work both ways really works. The majority of the new left, and the popular cultural "groupthink" all support and follow the narratives of feminism, critical theory, critical race theory, they are marxists. The author correctly notes that they actually do not follow pluralism, these people are authoritarians. Their ideologies completely stamp out individuality and humanism.

Whites are bad, everyone else is good
Males are bad, females are good
Rich people are bad, poor people are good

People think this is tin foil hate stuff, but their is no ideology that has lead more people to the meat grinder/ovens than communism & marxism.


"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

- H.L Mencken
 

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Whites are bad, everyone else is good
Males are bad, females are good
Rich people are bad, poor people are good

People think this is tin foil hate stuff, but their is no ideology that has lead more people to the meat grinder/ovens than communism & marxism.
Because Russia and China are one of the largest countries in the world. It's statiscally logical for the numbers to be higher. But I understand that you're not a leftist. At all. I get that.

We both know the world is shades of gray. There is no good/bad. This type of oversimplification is just a way of creating political slogans. And the contrary has also been said and done. Just read some quotes of known extreme-right politicians about how White is good, how strong men are better and are poor people are the worst and the filth...

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

- H.L Mencken
So you gonna act like immigration isn't an hobgoblin being thrown by conservatives every time ? They all use this.
1984 could go either way, because the Enemy of the State being the common enemy of the state and the people forcing the latter into believing in the system is a strategy used by both wings.
 

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beat me to it.

Brehs really need to get over the Big Brother thing (cause it's already here and been here as long as credit cards and those plastic thingies they give you at stores to track your spending habits)....

and REALLY start paying attention to the meaning of DoubleThink and how it's got us VERY fukked up right now.
 
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