Wii U has the best games this Christmas :stopitslime:

[MeachTheMonster]

Keep hearing people say this.

Does anyone really believe this trash? I'm sure Mario number 372 is a lot of fun, and Zelda 54 part 2 HD remake is a blast, but would you really want to play these games over. BF4, 2k, Forza, killzone,ect.

I know I wouldn't.

Seems like reviewers just like to repeat each other like any other Internet forum warriors. I'm sure Mario is fun, but there definitely is nothing groundbreaking about the game. Plenty of X1/PS4 games lost a lot of points for not being groundbreaking yet Mario is praised for it.

Thoughts?

 

[Kodie]

There's more groundbreaking in the new Mario then there is in BF4, Forza, 2k and Killzone. I definitely do want to play Wii U games more than I want to play the next gen games right now. That's no hype or no lie - I'm looking forward to playing Wonderful 101 and Mario 3D World more than the games you listed.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

There's more groundbreaking in the new Mario then there is in BF4, Forza, 2k and Killzone. I definitely do want to play Wii U games more than I want to play the next gen games right now. That's no hype or no lie - I'm looking forward to playing Wonderful 101 and Mario 3D World more than the games you listed.

What's groundbreaking about Mario 3d world?

 

[Kodie]

What's groundbreaking about Mario 3d world?

First of all, unlike all the games you mentioned, it's only 2nd entry in its style (combining the 3d mario 64 style gameplay with 2d side scrolling elements with a focus on collecting coins). This particular entry has a focus on co-op. Already it's more unique than BF4, Forza, 2k and Killzone. Each of the characters play differently a la SMB2 so they provide different play experiences and challenges. The Cat pickup brings new experiences as well (this is akin to adding new experience via the gel guns in Portal 2). There's also "The Adventures of Captain Toad" puzzle levels. Generally speaking there's a wide swathe of variety to gameplay. Yes, a lot of them are battle-tested (like time trials and ghost challenges) but that still makes it a more varied and unique experience than the games you listed.


EDIT: This video looks very unique to any game I've ever played before: . It bears visual similarities to Mario Galaxy but the gameplay looks significantly different and more precision based.


Your turn - what's so unique about the games you listed? NBA 2K has independent ball physics which is almost unanimously worse than the previous implementation and I'll give you Forza drivatars, but that's it.

 

[Darts]

Some gamers are incapable of understanding that great graphics ≠ great, groundbreaking gameplay.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

First of all, unlike all the games you mentioned, it's only 2nd entry in its style (combining the 3d mario 64 style gameplay with 2d side scrolling elements with a focus on collecting coins). This particular entry has a focus on co-op. Already it's more unique than BF4, Forza, 2k and Killzone. Each of the characters play differently a la SMB2 so they provide different play experiences and challenges. The Cat pickup brings new experiences as well (this is akin to adding new experience via the gel guns in Portal 2). There's also "The Adventures of Captain Toad" puzzle levels. Generally speaking there's a wide swathe of variety to gameplay. Yes, a lot of them are battle-tested (like time trials and ghost challenges) but that still makes it a more varied and unique experience than the games you listed.


EDIT: This video looks very unique to any game I've ever played before: . It bears visual similarities to Mario Galaxy but the gameplay looks significantly different and more precision based.


Your turn - what's so unique about the games you listed? NBA 2K has independent ball physics which is almost unanimously worse than the previous implementation and I'll give you Forza drivatars, but that's it.

None of that is groundbreaking. Seems to be just a "best of Mario" compilation game.

And it's not unique when compared to other games of its genre, the same as killzone, bf4, ect.

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

that new mario 3d game looks beautiful.

 

[kingdizzy01]

why u mad tho?

Spoiler

 

[Kodie]

None of that is groundbreaking. Seems to be just a "best of Mario" compilation game.

And it's not unique when compared to other games of its genre, the same as killzone, bf4, ect.

What other games in its genre is it similar to? Mario 3D World is as unique as AAA games get. I see that video and I see a bunch of stuff I haven't experienced before.

I don't see anything new that's brought with NBA 2K, Forza, Killzone 4 or Battlefield 4 other than the two (one of them bad) examples I provided.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What other games in its genre is it similar to? Mario 3D World is as unique as AAA games get. I see that video and I see a bunch of stuff I haven't experienced before.

previous Mario titles and other platformers

I don't see anything new that's brought with NBA 2K, Forza, Killzone 4 or Battlefield 4 other than the two (one of them bad) examples I provided.

NBA 2k graphics and presentation
Forza-Drivatars
Battlfield- huge online battles/levelution new to consoles.
Killzone

 

[TheGodling]

Nintendo has the highest level of quality assurance in the gaming industry, starting at the base with the big man Miyamoto himself. There's a reason Nintendo's stock plummets every time he brings up talk about retirement, because he is pretty much Nintendo's Q&A department in early stages of development, single handedly deciding whether a team is even allowed to start development on a game. For instance, he threw the initial plans for the 3DS Zelda into the bushes, calling the new gameplay concepts the team had come up with something that might've been considered innovative 2o years ago (that ether! ) before eventually greenlighting the game that would end up becoming A Link Between Worlds.

Then there's the fine tuning. Glitches are pretty much non-existent in Nintendo games (the save glitch in the recent Pokémon being a rare exception) and each game is just perfected from the core mechanics to the little details. When you get a Nintendo game, you pretty much know you're going to get pure quality, so if there's two Nintendo games coming out close to each other, you bet they're gonna own that season.

 

[Kodie]

previous Mario titles and other platformers

Portal 2 was similar to Portal but was still extremely innovative. And I'd argue Mario 3D World is even more different than other Mario games not named 3D Land.

NBA 2k graphics and presentation
Forza-Drivatars
Battlfield- huge online battles/levelution new to consoles.
Killzone

Graphics, presentation and things that are only new to consoles? That's like me mentioning that this is the first 3D HD Mario (which I didn't). NBA 2k graphics are great and a reason to own the game but they don't do anything to make the game any better or unique. Huge online battles is nothing new. It's new for you and HD is new for Mario but that's neither of those is impressing the people that are used to it. Levelution is nice but pretty underwhelming still (in terms of how it changes gameplay).

I've never seen the ability to clone Mario basically an unlimited number of times outside of the tech demo over a decade ago; I've never seen Mario accommodate so many movement systems while remaining so precision based; I've never seen a Mario with secrets .. and it's like the Verge review says:

Nintendo is more than happy to introduce a completely new gameplay concept only to discard it after a single level, and it's this momentum that ensures Super Mario 3D World is never predictable and never boring.

or this GB review

Despite so many Mario games under this team's belt, almost every stage promises something new. So many games, platforming or otherwise, come up with a new trick and slavishly beat it into the ground. Here, an idea comes and goes like a ship in the night, possibly to never return again. Even if it does, you can rest assured it's been subtly tweaked.

There's this innovation on the micro level that rarely takes place in the big games you mentioned. Titanfall is a true innovation in that space. BF2 and Bad Company's were true innovations in that space. And there's nothing wrong with not innovating and instead perfecting. BF4 deserves a lot of praise for that. But I'm just calling it like it is.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Portal 2 was similar to Portal but was still extremely innovative. And I'd argue Mario 3D World is even more different than other Mario games not named 3D Land.



Graphics, presentation and things that are only new to consoles? That's like me mentioning that this is the first 3D HD Mario (which I didn't). NBA 2k graphics are great and a reason to own the game but they don't do anything to make the game any better or unique. Huge online battles is nothing new. It's new for you and HD is new for Mario but that's neither of those is impressing the people that are used to it. Levelution is nice but pretty underwhelming still (in terms of how it changes gameplay).

Graphics and presentation to the level of quality of 2k is new and it does benefit the game to a great degree. Half of the enjoyment of playing a sports sim is the atmosphere. Adding a level of realism to the atmosphere improves the game immensely.

And 3d is not new to Mario or other platformers.

I've never seen the ability to clone Mario basically an unlimited number of times outside of the tech demo over a decade ago; I've never seen Mario accommodate so many movement systems while remaining so precision based.. and it's like the Verge review says: "Nintendo is more than happy to introduce a completely new gameplay concept only to discard it after a single level, and it's this momentum that ensures Super Mario 3D World is never predictable and never boring. ". There's this innovation on the micro level that rarely takes place in the big games you mentioned. Titanfall is a true innovation in that space. BF2 and Bad Company's were true innovations in that space. And there's nothing wrong with not innovating and instead perfecting. BF4 deserves a lot of praise for that. But I'm just calling it like it is.

Yes Mario has some new powers, but collecting powers that alter gameplay is not a new concept in Mario games or platformers in general. It's more an evolution than a revolution.

You can't downplay the evolution of other games/genres while pretending that mario is something fresh and new.

 

[storyteller]

I could see Mario being the best of the bunch tbh. Gameplay video above looks great.

 

[thesandman]

None of that is groundbreaking. Seems to be just a "best of Mario" compilation game.

And it's not unique when compared to other games of its genre, the same as killzone, bf4, ect.

Not at all. Nintendo just raised the bar on 3D platformers...