Where did most Black Americans come from???

[BlackMajik]

*This will be a long post/thread and I will be continuing to add to the thread as time permits me*

Well shyt that's a loaded ass question isn't it. As you know it's accepted that all of us come directly from Africa. But this is not true. Yes the Atlantic Slave trade happened but the numbers don't add up at all when it comes to the United States (Note: We will use Brazil as a comparison later)


Note: when we say "non-African" we are of course speaking relatively. The Papuans and Australians were the first Humans to leave Africa (60-70,000 years ago), Black Europeans were among the last (40-45,000 years ago).

Ok let's get started. When it comes to the numbers not adding up...


Where did most Black Americans come from?

All serious scientists agree that the TOTAL number of African slaves imported into the United States was approximately 500,000.

Some estimate that an additional 38,000 to 50,000 Slaves were smuggled into the United States from the Caribbean after the Slave trade was outlawed in 1808.

So, assuming that all blacks in the United States were from Africa, by 1865 (when slavery was outlawed) the maximum number of African slaves imported to the United States was 550,000. In statistical analysis there is a mathematical formula for calculating the time needed for a population to DOUBLE – it is called Doubling time!

>>>>Doubling time: (Wiki) Doubling time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The doubling time is the period of time required for a quantity to double in size or value. It is applied to population growth, inflation and many other things which tend to grow over time. When the relative growth rate (not the absolute growth rate) is constant, the quantity undergoes exponential growth and has a constant doubling time or period which can be calculated directly from the growth rate. This time can be calculated by dividing the natural logarithm of 2 by the exponent of growth, or approximated by dividing 70 by the percentage growth rate (more roughly but roundly, dividing 72; see the rule of 72 for details and a derivation of this formula). The doubling time is a characteristic unit (a natural unit of scale) for the exponential growth equation, and its converse for exponential decay is the half-life.

For example, given Canada's net population growth of 0.9% in the year 2006, dividing 70 by 0.9 gives an approximate doubling time of 78 years. Thus if the growth rate remains constant, Canada's population would double from its 2006 figure of 33 million to 66 million by 2084.

NATURALLY CANADA'S POPULATION IS AMONG THE WORLDS HEALTHIEST, AND IN NO WAY COULD BE COMPARED TO UNDERFED OVERWORKED SLAVES OF LONG AGO. BUT THE CANADIAN NUMBERS WILL BE USED TO MAKE THE STRONGEST POINT.

In 1808 the importation of Slaves from Africa was outlawed. At that time there were about 1,377,808 Blacks (1810 numbers, actual number was a little less) in the United States. Using the Canadian doubling time of 78 years, by 1886 the BEST the Black population of the United States COULD have been was: 2,755,616. So that by the time of the 1900 census, the MOST the Black population of the United States could have been would be about 2,810,000.

THE ACTUAL BLACK POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES IN 1900 WAS 8,840,789
(Of course using the actual slave number of 550,000 produces even greater disparity in population numbers).

Question: WHERE DID THE OTHER 6,030,789 BLACK AMERICANS, NOT FROM AFRICA, COME FROM?

 

[BlackMajik]

@bdizzle

Like I said b4 I'll be updating this thread

 

[↓R↑LYB]

You're an African breh, it's literally written in your DNA.

 

[BlackMajik]

You're an African breh, it's literally written in your DNA.

1. I'm not finished with this thread by a longshot

2. U deliberately overlooked this part

Note: when we say "non-African" we are of course speaking relatively. The Papuans and Australians were the first Humans to leave Africa (60-70,000 years ago), Black Europeans were among the last (40-45,000 years ago).

It's semantics. I'm not talking about being a different race or anything

 

[MikeyC]

Immigration?
Change in the criteria for what "Black" is?
nikkaz fukking like there's no tomorrow?

 

[BlackMajik]

Immigration?
Change in the criteria for what "Black" is?
nikkaz fukking like there's no tomorrow?

@ that last one

U guys will find out soon. And ur close. A forced immigration (Not from Africa)is one source of the increase of black folks here

 

[BlackMajik]

@Robbi already started it

 

[Govana]

Add more stuff

I still don't know where the other blacks came from, or why this information is vital to me

@BlackMajik

 

[BlackMajik]

Add more stuff

I still don't know where the other blacks came from, or why this information is vital to me

@BlackMajik

I will when I get a chance

 

[BlackMajik]

There were two sources for the large increases in Black Slaves:

What happened to the Yuchi Indians was typical for Black Native Americans

The Yuchi, also spelled Euchee and Uchee, are people of a Native American tribe who traditionally lived in the eastern Tennessee River valley in Tennessee in the 16th century. The Yuchi were well known mound builders. During the 17th century, they moved south to Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina. After suffering many fatalities due to epidemic disease and warfare in the 18th century, several surviving Yuchi were removed to Indian Territory in the 1830s, together with their allies the Muscogee Creek. (Some who remained in the South were classified as "free persons of color": others were enslaved). Some remnant groups migrated to Florida, where they became part of the recently formed Seminole Tribe of Florida.

The other source was Europe: where continental Albinos and the British, were still expelling Blacks

Remembering that the “Thirty Years Wars” ended in 1648, the doings of the ship “Jamaica Galley” - Rotterdam to Cowes in England, to Philadelphia 7 February 1738. And ship Glasgow, Walter Sterling Commander - from Rotterdam but last from Cowes in England: And Ship Marlborough, Thomas Bell, Master. Qualified Sept. 23, 1741. From Rotterdam, but last from Cowes, carried a cargo of Palatine Males (Electoral Palatinate or County Palatine of the Rhine, a historic state of the Black Holy Roman Empire), is typical of British ships picking up Blacks from continual Europe, then picking up more from Britain, and then dumping them in the Americas.

Now lemme stop right here. I know some of you are saying black native americans and native black europeans? What that can't be right. Well history is told by the victors. And whites have tried to hide/erase the majority of our history. Yes there were already black native americans here (not talking about the mongol native americans that u already know about) and yes there were black native europeans (including many rulers)of course. I will go in depth on both of these groups soon

 

[Dzali OG]

Get the thread done mayne...

 

[BlackMajik]

The original people of the Americas are the Black Paleoamericans; these are the first Human inhabitants of the Hemisphere. Evidences of their habitation is found with 9,600 year-old Kennewick man in Washington State U.S., 11,500 year-old Luzia in Brazil, and 12,000 year-old Naia in Mexico. These people are believed to have come from Australia and the Pacific Islands as early as 50,000 years ago: as indicated by human remains and hearths at Pedra Furada in Brazil. Next into the American Hemisphere were the “Clovis culture” migrants from Asia, circa 12,000 years ago. At this time Asia was inhabited by Blacks of Negroid phenotype and Mongol phenotype, so it can be assumed that Asian Blacks of both kinds crossed over to the Americas at this time. Racially, a complicating factor is Asia’s Albinos (Caucasian and Mongol phenotype): we know that the Chinese people have steadily become lighter (and more Caucasian phenotype) over just the last few millennia, so that today, they cannot even be called the “Yellow” race: today there is a definite “Pink” tinge to the Chinese people.

Not surprisingly, picture and ceramic artifacts, as well as European’s written descriptions of first contacts, tell us that Pre-Columbian North America: Mexico, the United States, and Canada, was inhabited by Black Indians and “Dark Brown” Indians, who inspired the term “Red Man”: (as dark brown people become “Red hued” after extended time in the Sun). But the fact of Asia’s Albinos makes it impossible to determine if Americas “light skinned and even White looking” Indians of the “Early European period” are descendants of the original Clovis people, or the result of “Admixture” with Europeans.

Likewise, it is impossible to determine the linage of North Americas Black Indians, their phenotype is both Straight haired and Curly haired. But Black Asians are both Straight haired and Curly haired: as Black Australians are Straight haired, and Black Tasmanians were Curly haired, therefore no conclusion can be drawn.

Whichever the case, they both suffered the same fate: When the Albino Europeans came, the Mongol Americans whom the Black Americans had hegemony over, allied themselves with the Albino Europeans, and brought down the Black Empires in the Americas. For Mexico, the Albinos used to tell the story that 600 Spanish conquistadors defeated the Aztec Army. Now they admit that perhaps 50,000 Indians were allies of the Spanish in the battle for the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlán. Once the Albinos admit that the Aztec were a Black people, that will be their first true history. As with the Aztec in Mexico, the Black Inca in Peru were brought down by Mongol type Indians allied with the Spanish.

 

[BlackMajik]

Yea the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (Carlos Quinto) was BLACK

At the time, the Indians had not yet learned that the Albino man speaks with a “Forked tongue”: naturally the Albinos reneged on all of their promises to the Mongol Indians, which prompted the Indians to actually “SUE” the Spanish in Spanish courts, for the benefits they were promised – they lost. The suit is documented in: Litigation over the Rights of “Natural Lords” in Early Colonial Courts in the Andes, by JOHN V. MURRA - INSTITUTE OF ANDEAN RESEARCH. Today in the U.S, Mongol type Indians and their Mulatto and Albino brethren, often try to oust Blacks from their tribes, so as to selfishly deprive them of benefits from government programs earmarked for Indians. Of course, Black Native Americans were routinely enslaved.

 

[BlackMajik]

Ok now onto the Native Black Europeans

The next Black people into the Americas were Black Europeans, who had just recently lost their hegemony in Europe. Beginning in the 1500s, Europe's Albinos rebelled against Black rule, and the then, Black Catholic Church: culminating in the "Thirty Years Wars" (1618–1648) which for all practical purposes ended Black rule in Europe, and killed off huge numbers of Europe's Blacks. The survivors of the "Thirty Years Wars" as well as the British “Civil” Wars, were expelled to the Caribbean and North America as Indentured Servants, and outright Slaves. The Churches that came out of that Albino rebellion are called the Protestant (Protest) Churches, they are: Adventism, Anabaptism, Anglicanism, Baptist churches, Calvinism (Reformed tradition), Lutheranism, Methodism, Pentecostalism. Other Protestant branches: Transdenominational movements, Evangelicalism, Charismatic Movement, Neo-charismatic churches.

Another outcome of the Albinos rebellion in Europe is the Albinos attempt to revise history, and write Blacks out of history: to be replaced by themselves in place of Blacks. For that reason, it is impossible to say who were the first Black Europeans in the Americas. Example: eight months after the last Moorish city of "Granada Spain" fell: it was in the nearby town of Palos Spain, on the evening of August 3, 1492, that Christopher Columbus would depart on his journey to the Americas. One result of which, would be the African Atlantic Slave trade. But at this time, there was still hundreds of thousands of Black Moors in Spain and Portugal, not to mention the native Blacks of Portugal and Spain: note that King Ferdinand is a Mulatto (you can’t make mulattoes without Blacks)! Therefore it is safe to assume that a goodly percentage of Columbus’s crew were Blacks too.

The Black Scots
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The first foreign born Blacks in Virginia (as opposed to Native American Blacks) were probably the Black Scotsman of Virginia, who were defeated by Oliver Cromwell in his invasions of Scotland in the 1600s. They are detailed in the book: " White People, Indians, and Highlanders: Tribal Peoples and Colonial Encounters in Scotland and America by Colin G. Calloway". Quote from the book: When Oliver Cromwell defeated the Scots at Worcester, Cromwell transported hundreds of Scots prisoners as indentured servants to Virginia and the West Indies" Page 26.

The fact that these Scotsman were Black men is confirmed by many publications of those times: and is detailed by quotes from them: The Journal of a tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson - by James Boswell 1810 edition. (It should be noted that apparently all versions after 1810, and the “Project Gutenberg” version, have all had references to Blacks deleted, so care should be taken in which version you use).

Page 123
Quote: There was great diversity in the faces of the circle around us: Some were as black and wild in their appearance as any American savages whatever. One woman was as comely almost as the figure of Sappho, as we see it painted.

A Description of THE WESTERN ISLANDS of Scotland (CIRCA 1695) By Martin Martin, Gent.

Quote: The Complexion of the Islanders of the Isle of Arran, Quote: The inhabitants of this isle are well proportioned, generally brown, and some of a black complexion.

It was Thomas Cromwell who destroyed all evidences of Black Rule in Britain.

Article from the Daily Telegraph Media Group Limited 2015

Main Quote: No one can be sure of the exact figure, but it is estimated that the destruction started and legalized by Cromwell amounted to 97% of the English art then in existence. Statues were hacked down. Frescoes were smashed to bits. Mosaics were pulverized. Illuminated manuscripts were shredded. Wooden carvings were burned. Precious metalwork was melted down. Shrines were reduced to rubble. This vandalism went way beyond a religious reform. It was a frenzy, obliterating the artistic patrimony of centuries of indigenous craftsmanship with an intensity of hatred for imagery and depicting the divine that has strong and resonant parallels today.

 

[Michael9100]

Wouldn't black native americans look phenotypically different than black people from west africa? And if thats so, could we still see the physical differences among African Americans today (Since we are all counted as black)?