The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

[Czar]

This thread is dedicated to debunking the false doctrines of the "Hebrew Israelites". Specifically those who adhere to the old teachings of the Israeli School(Church) of Universal Practical Knowledge, which was located on 1 West 125th St in Harlem.

Let's start with the white man supposedly being Esau...





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= UrY2PPL_DRo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= eNkUOVQkOCE

^Debunks the claim that Rome=Edom, or Romans=Edomites.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= fhKluyuftaQ

^Debunks the whole Dukes/Edom theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= 2EL8QJpirl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= jI-HpH6ZH8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= R2lU1_9-tIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= eO4D4eY4OW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= d4jv3LxyiD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= 7WOPA9ZsDlc

^Explains Obadiah the correct way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= TPc2ujEy6bY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= ksegaVARMwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= kkQVAiU1lAA

^Explains in depth who actually built the monuments of Petra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= VwyBycNPxno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= ddM9aonZl64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= riNGYClMm-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= EXIVZvnZO5M

^Proves Edom/Edomites no longer exist.

Edit: (Vids were slowing down the thread. Combine each link to watch)

@LionofJudah
@Sambow
@Disciple of the Projects

Please feel free to drop in here so y'all can get this work.

@Marvel I'm not sure where you stand on all this, but you're welcome to come get this work too if you'd like

@iLLaV3 Hope this thread is informative for you.

 

[Michael9100]

It has been a long winter....

 

[MostReal]

@Czar I do not believe Esau is white, just doesn't add up.

 

[Czar]

@Czar I do not believe Esau is white, just doesn't add up.

I know that breh. Either way I'ma be posting up alotta interesting things in this thread.

Remember J.A. Rodgers Nature Knows No Colorline? I'm halfway through the book. There's so much stuff in there that actually crushes what @LionofJudah believes/promotes and backs up what I've been saying all along.

Soon as I'm done I'ma toss up them quotes for y'all.

 

[Disciple of the Projects]

@Czar I do not believe Esau is white, just doesn't add up.

Simple minded nikka.

Hebrews 12:16


Define it for me, please. And since we are stupid. I'd like historical proof in picture form. Thank you.

 

[Czar]

Simple minded nikka.

Hebrews 12:16


Define it for me, please. And since we are stupid. I'd like historical proof in picture form. Thank you.

The irony of the bolded.

And here go that old 1 West teaching of "You know so-called white people are Esau, cause they like their meat rare, RED, just like he did."

Which is really the most debunkable argument concerning Esau.



^Skip to 6:40 & watch til the end.

If you refuse to watch the video... Genesis 25:34 says he was given a Pottage of Lentils.

Genesis 25:34 Lexicon: Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew; and he ate and drank, and rose and went on his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.
^OG Hebrew text.

Strong's Hebrew: 5742. עֲדָשִׁים (adashah) -- a lentil

Strong's Concordance
adashah: a lentil
Original Word:עֲדָשִׁים
Part of Speech:Noun Feminine
Transliteration:adashah
Phonetic Spellingaw-dawsh')
Short Definition:lentils

Strong's Hebrew: 5138. נָזִיד (nazid) -- something sodden or boiled, pottage

Strong's Concordance
nazid: something sodden or boiled, pottageOriginal Word:נָזִיד
Part of Speech:Noun Masculine
Transliteration:nazid
Phonetic Spellingnaw-zeed')
Short Definition:stew

In Hebrews 12:16, the word translated as meat in the KJV is in fact MEAL in greek.

Hebrews 12:16 Lexicon: that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal.
^OG Greek text

Strong's Greek: 1035. βρῶσις (brósis) -- eating, food

Strong's Concordance
brósis: eating, food
Original Word: βρῶσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: brósis
Phonetic Spelling: (bro'-sis)
Short Definition: eating, food, a meal, rust
Definition: (a) abstr: eating, (b) food, a meal, (c) rust.

And is overwhelming translated as either meal or food in the majority of translations.

Hebrews 12:16

New International Version
See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

New Living Translation
Make sure that no one is immoral or godless like Esau, who traded his birthright as the firstborn son for a single meal.

English Standard Version
that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.

New American Standard Bible
that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And make sure that there isn't any immoral or irreverent person like Esau, who sold his birthright in exchange for one meal.

International Standard Version
No one should be immoral or godless like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.

NET Bible
And see to it that no one becomes an immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Or lest a man be found among you as a fornicator, or debauched, like Esau, who for one meal sold his birthright.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Make sure that no one commits sexual sin or is as concerned about earthly things as Esau was. He sold his rights as the firstborn son for a single meal.

Jubilee Bible 2000
lest there be any fornicator or profane person as Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.

King James 2000 Bible
Lest there be any immoral, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.

Darby Bible Translation
lest [there be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one meal sold his birthright;

Webster's Bible Translation
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birth-right.

Weymouth New Testament
lest there be a fornicator, or an ungodly person like Esau, who, in return for a single meal, parted with the birthright which belonged to him.

World English Bible
lest there be any sexually immoral person, or profane person, like Esau, who sold his birthright for one meal.

Young's Literal Translation
lest any one be a fornicator, or a profane person, as Esau, who in exchange for one morsel of food did sell his birthright,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau; who for one mess, sold his first birthright.

But you trust the KJV huh?

Song of Solomon 5:10
King James Bible
My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.



You should try using the arguments for Genesis 27:11 or 2 Esdras 6:9 next so I can debunk those as well @Disciple of the Projects

 

[MostReal]

nothing is wrong with the KJV if you just use common sense with your interpretation


why do you want these folks to be white so bad though?

 

[Czar]

nothing is wrong with the KJV if you just use common sense with your interpretation


why do you want these folks to be white so bad though?

So @Disciple of the Projects calls you a simple nikka, yet you're trolling me over something that was obviously facetious to anyone with a little common sense and knowledge of scripture?

New International Version
My beloved is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand.

English Standard Version
My beloved is radiant and ruddy, distinguished among ten thousand.

New American Standard Bible
"My beloved is dazzling and ruddy, Outstanding among ten thousand.

NET Bible
My beloved is dazzling and ruddy; he stands out in comparison to all other men.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
My beloved is dazzling yet ruddy. He stands out among 10,000 men.

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/songs/5-10.htm
^OG Hebrew text

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6703.htm
Strong's Concordance
tsach: dazzling, glowing, clear
Original Word:צַח
Part of Speech:Adjective
Transliteration:tsach
Phonetic Spellingtsakh)
Short Definition:dazzling

And the KJV is only good to read if one understands the original texts in their original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek).

 

[MostReal]

I'm not trolling you. I was just wondering why you bolded 'white' in that scripture?
I don't have beef with anyone on here. As for Disciple, I can't hate on dude...some of the things they believed helped me in my search for the truth in the bible....and I agree with some of their stances. I like that vid you posted up as well ...I remember when I went into my common sense reasons for ruddy not being white people...you clowned me

The truth is just the truth... I'm a straight shooter

 

[Czar]

I'm not trolling you. I was just wondering why you bolded 'white' in that scripture?
I don't have beef with anyone on here. As for Disciple, I can't hate on dude...some of the things they believed helped me in my search for the truth in the bible....and I agree with some of their stances. I like that vid you posted up as well ...I remember when I went into my common sense reasons for ruddy not being white people...you clowned me

The truth is just the truth... I'm a straight shooter

I've always said the very first Hebrews were a reddish brown people of color. I've never claimed ruddy has anything to do with white people.

Our arguments have been about the Hebrews over time becoming a mixed people, which you've profusely rejected. But scripture & history don't lie.

However you wanna define the term mixed, it points towards it.

Whether we use the examples of intermarriage/intermixing between the Hebrews and people from other nations, or if we mention the strangers/foreigners who joined with Israel & became one with them.

Joshua 8:32-35

"There, in the presence of the Israelites, Joshua wrote on stones a copy of the law of Moses. All the Israelites, with their elders, officials and judges, were standing on both sides of the ark of the covenant of the Lord, facing the Levitical priests who carried it. Both the foreigners living among them and the native-born were there. Half of the people stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the Lord had formerly commanded when he gave instructions to bless the people of Israel.
Afterward, Joshua read all the words of the law—the blessings and the curses—just as it is written in the Book of the Law. There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded that Joshua did not read to the whole assembly of Israel. including the women and children, and the foreigners who lived among them.

Exodus 12:37-38

And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

Leviticus 19:34

"But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

Ezekiel 47:22-23

It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord God.

Numbers 15:29

One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you."

Esther 8:15-17

"And Mordecai went out from the presence of the king in royal apparel of blue and white, and with a great crown of gold, and with a garment of fine linen and purple: and the city of Shushan rejoiced and was glad."The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honour.

And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/complete.ii.xiv.ix.html

Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country; if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the land of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time this therefore befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

Acts 2:5-10

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans?And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes. Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

But you're so obsessed with what their skin tone and hair coulda been that you miss the main message, which is the most important part. The Most High said it best in 1 Samuel 16:7

But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

 

[Czar]

And @iLLaV3 the curses of Deuteronomy 28:15-68 doesn't make distinctions between a foreigner or native-born Israelite, since both were considered Israel to the Most High. If he was going to punish Israel for it's disobedience, he was going to punish them all. The foreigner didn't get escape the repercussions cause he wasn't born into a tribe. They all had to pay.

Ponder that for a moment... and think about all the places the Jews went, From Africa to Europe. Think about all the locals who were converted or who they may have intermarried/intermixed with and what happened to the people in those places afterwards.

Those curses start to make alot more sense then just saying "It was only West Africa" huh?

 

[MostReal]

you call them mixed, Today from an American perspective they were BLACK. Especially the OG Hebrews...those folks were black people because Japheth, Shem, and Ham were all black dudes. That's been my perspective from the beginning & I admit that some mixing occurred with non-black folks for sure by the time of the Romans

but the Old testament Hebrews were black and the scripture shows that. I believe Jesus was black as well because of how he was described and I feel God would make sure his '2nd Adam', would look similar to the 1st.

White folks serve a demonic purpose on this Earth...that is the role they have played. I also think they can be saved like all of us (because of Jesus) as well but their seed is not from man...it came from the fallen. That's scripture and science & its just the truth.

 

[thekingsmen]

This shyt again. Free Speech is becoming a version of H.L. @Czar Do you not have anything else to talk about kid? I can tell you are limited in your subjects. Bring some other topics homie....if you black, then there should be alot to talk about in here other than trying so hard to prove Blacks weren't Hebrews and the White man isn't Esau. With all the shyt going on in the world today fam.....really?

 

[Czar]

you call them mixed, Today from an American perspective they were BLACK. Especially the OG Hebrews...those folks were black people because Japheth, Shem, and Ham were all black dudes. That's been my perspective from the beginning & I admit that some mixing occurred with non-black folks for sure by the time of the Romans

but the Old testament Hebrews were black and the scripture shows that. I believe Jesus was black as well because of how he was described and I feel God would make sure his '2nd Adam', would look similar to the 1st.

White folks serve a demonic purpose on this Earth...that is the role they have played. I also think they can be saved like all of us (because of Jesus) as well but their seed is not from man...it came from the fallen. That's scripture and science & its just the truth.

Lol Japheth couldn't have been black if ALL the indio-European and Aryan nations descend from him. Greeks (Jovan), Romans (Kittim), Germans (Ashkenaz), Turks (Togarmah) etc.


All of current mankind descends from Ham, Shem and Japheth. You admitted some mixing (more like ALOT) occurred with them and non-black people which makes absolutely no sense since you just got finished saying they were all black


But I already know you're going to use the Nephilim theory again, mentioning Numbers 13:32–33 while trying to tie that together with Enoch 105:1-4. Lemme know if you want me to debunk that as well, cause I got a ton of evidence to prove Enoch is a Pseudepigraphal writing. But then again, reading into verses seems to be your thing.

As for how Jesus was described...



^Even these HI brothers disagree and explain in depth why.


At the end of the day, you're opinion is essentially irrelevant, since all mankind has fallen short and has been demonic. Not because of skin color, but because of sin. Point blank.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man on earth who does good
And does not sin.

Romans 3:9
What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Galatians 3:22
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Acts 17:25-31
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”


And let's not forget this verse here @iLLaV3

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

 

[Kilgore Trout]

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