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By Colin Daileda2013-11-08 04:00:30 UTC

If your car was powered by thorium, you would never need to refuel it. The vehicle would burn out long before the chemical did. The thorium would last so long, in fact, it would probably outlive you.

That's why a company called Laser Power Systems has created a concept for a thorium-powered car engine. The element is radioactive, and the team uses bits of it to build a laserbeam that heats water, produces steam, and powers an energy-producing turbine.

Thorium is one of the most dense materials on the planet. A small sample of it packs 20 million times more energy than a similarly-sized sample of coal, making it an ideal energy source.

See also: Scientists Use Lego Technology to Make More Efficient Solar Panels

The thing is, Dr. Charles Stevens, the CEO of Laser Power Systems, told Mashable that thorium engines won't be in cars anytime soon.

"Cars are not our primary interest," Stevens said. "The automakers don't want to buy them."

He said too much of the automobile industry is focused on making money off of gas engines, and it will take at least a couple decades for thorium technology to be used enough in other industries that vehicle manufacturers will begin to consider revamping the way they think about engines.


"We're building this to power the rest of the world," Stevens said. He believes a thorium turbine about the size of an air conditioning unit could more provide cheap power for whole restaurants, hotels, office buildings, even small towns in areas of the world without electricity. At some point, thorium could power individual homes.

Stevens understands that people may be wary of Thorium because it is radioactive — but any such worry would be unfounded.

"The radiation that we develop off of one of these things can be shielded by a single sheet off of aluminum foil," Stevens said." "You will get more radiation from one of those dental X-rays than this."

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http://mashable.com/2013/11/07/thorium-power-everything/


I'm curious as to how feasible this is engineering-wise, but just off GP that's crazy. :ohhh:

Shame that cars would be the last thing to switch over tho. For anybody who doesn't know, thorium was originally going to be used in nuclear reactors (rather than uranium), but in the 70s the government shut down research on Thorium since they felt Uranium was cheaper. Ironically enough, part of the reason was also that Thorium couldn't be used to make weapons. He's a little info -

Background and brief history

After World War II, uranium-based nuclear reactors were built to produce electricity. These were similar to the reactor designs that produced material for nuclear weapons. During that period, the U.S. government also built an experimental molten salt reactor using U-233 fuel, the fertile material created by bombarding thorium with neutrons. The reactor, built at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, operated critical for roughly 15000 hours from 1965 to 1969. In 1968, Nobel laureate and discoverer of Plutonium, Glenn Seaborg, publicly announced to the Atomic Energy Commission, of which he was chairman, that the thorium-based reactor had been successfully developed and tested:

So far the molten-salt reactor experiment has operated successfully and has earned a reputation for reliability. I think that some day the world will have commercial power reactors of both the uranium-plutonium and the thorium-uranium fuel cycle type.[7]

In 1973, however, the U.S. government shut down all thorium-related nuclear research—which had by then been ongoing for approximately twenty years at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The reasons were that uranium breeder reactors were more efficient, the research was proven, and byproducts could be used to make nuclear weapons. In Moir and Teller’s opinion, the decision to stop development of thorium reactors, at least as a backup option, “was an excusable mistake.”[4]

Science writer Richard Martin states that nuclear physicist Alvin Weinberg, who was director at Oak Ridge and primarily responsible for the new reactor, lost his job as director because he championed development of the safer thorium reactors.[8][9] Weinberg himself recalls this period:

[Congressman] Chet Holifield was clearly exasperated with me, and he finally blurted out, "Alvin, if you are concerned about the safety of reactors, then I think it may be time for you to leave nuclear energy." I was speechless. But it was apparent to me that my style, my attitude, and my perception of the future were no longer in tune with the powers within the AEC.[10]

Martin explains that Weinberg's unwillingness to sacrifice potentially safe nuclear power for the benefit of military uses forced him to retire:


Weinberg realized that you could use thorium in an entirely new kind of reactor, one that would have zero risk of meltdown. . . . his team built a working reactor . . . . and he spent the rest of his 18-year tenure trying to make thorium the heart of the nation’s atomic power effort. He failed. Uranium reactors had already been established, and Hyman Rickover, de facto head of the US nuclear program, wanted the plutonium from uranium-powered nuclear plants to make bombs. Increasingly shunted aside, Weinberg was finally forced out in 1973.[11]

Despite the documented history of thorium nuclear power, many of today’s nuclear experts were nonetheless unaware of it. According to Chemical & Engineering News, "most people—including scientists—have hardly heard of the heavy-metal element and know little about it . . . ," noting a comment by a conference attendee that "it's possible to have a Ph.D. in nuclear reactor technology and not know about thorium energy."[12] Nuclear physicist Victor J. Stenger, for one, first learned of it in 2012:

It came as a surprise to me to learn recently that such an alternative has been available to us since World War II, but not pursued because it lacked weapons applications.[13]

Others, including former NASA scientist and thorium expert Kirk Sorensen, agree that “thorium was the alternative path that was not taken . . . "[14][15]:2 According to Sorensen, during a documentary interview, he states that if the U.S. had not discontinued its research in 1974 it could have "probably achieved energy independence by around 2000."[7]

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the possibilities are intriguing. main concern would be what happens when these columbine types get hold of radioactive material. they already shooting up schools and movies.

interesting comment on how the auto industry isn't interested in energy sources or technology that would reduce dependency on oil though. them and the opec crew would horde all the thorium just to kill off any threat to their way of doing business.
 

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the possibilities are intriguing. main concern would be what happens when these columbine types get hold of radioactive material. they already shooting up schools and movies.

interesting comment on how the auto industry isn't interested in energy sources or technology that would reduce dependency on oil though. them and the opec crew would horde all the thorium just to kill off any threat to their way of doing business.

That's actually one of the better things about Thorium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power#Possible_benefits

  • Thorium is safer and cleaner than uranium because its radioactivity is significantly lower: "A chunk of thorium is no more harmful than a bar of soap", states Martin.[15]:11
  • LFTR reactors offer many attractive passive safety features. Kirk Sorensen notes that because LFTRs operate at atmospheric pressure, hydrogen explosions as happened in Fukushima, Japan in 2011, are not possible. "One of these reactors would have come through the tsunami just fine. There would have been no radiation release."[19] Meltdown is impossible, since nuclear chain reactions cannot be sustained, and fission stops by default in case of accident.[15]:13[20]
  • It is difficult to make a practical nuclear bomb from a thorium reactor's byproducts. According to Alvin Radkowsky, designer of the world’s first full-scale atomic electric power plant, "a thorium reactor's plutonium production rate would be less than 2 percent of that of a standard reactor, and the plutonium's isotopic content would make it unsuitable for a nuclear detonation."[15]:11[21] Several uranium-233 bombs have been tested, but the presence of uranium-232 tended to "poison" the uranium-233 in two ways: intense radiation from the uranium-232 made the material difficult to handle, and the uranium-233 led to possible pre-detonation. Separating the uranium-232 from the uranium-233 proved very difficult, although newer laser techniques could facilitate that process.[22][23]
  • There is much less nuclear waste—up to two orders of magnitude less, states Moir and Teller,[4] eliminating the need for large-scale or long-term storage;[15]:13 "Chinese scientists claim that hazardous waste will be a thousand times less than with uranium."[19] The radioactivity of the resulting waste also drops down to safe levels after just a few hundred years, compared to tens of thousands of years needed for current nuclear waste to cool off.[24]

In fact, that's one of the reason's Thorium didn't take off initially - it lacked "weapons applications". Unlike with uranium, you can't use really the the byproducts to make nuclear weapons. And this being during the Cold War, you can probably guess how that went.

So ironically enough, it was too safe.

They were basically like :whoa: we can't make weapons with this. :camby:




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ok ..... again the environmental concerns.... yeah ...they say it's SAFE...... but all industries say their stuff is relatively safe .....

I've heard of this technology too .... and yes it sounds great ... but I need to know more about the whole process ... so if an earthquake hit a thorium reactor can we avoid having to abandon the facility and adjacent communtiy? or will the thorium reactor low key put out radiation of different isotopes creating cancer clusters around it? and when the material has been used up ,where and how does it get stored?? These are the question you should be asking..

^^^ Those externalities that businesses don't like to talk about, and eventually the taxpayer gets to take care of it .... see nooklear power generation .http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-f-n-ukushima-thread-and-related-nooklear-concerns.11990/.. :beli:


Edit: I watched the Young Turks video above, and it does sound awesome, I'm still saying you need a total environmental impact from start to finish. Lets be real though ....the reason why Nixon nixed thorium wasn't about money, so much, as it was about being about to being able to "drop them thangs", since thorium doesn't allow that apparently.
 
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"Cars are not our primary interest," Stevens said. "The automakers don't want to buy them."

He said too much of the automobile industry is focused on making money off of gas engines, and it will take at least a couple decades for thorium technology to be used enough in other industries that vehicle manufacturers will begin to consider revamping the way they think about engines.

But but but the free market :to:
 

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Damn I gotta look into this.
If a small amount of thorium can power
a whole house then a host of issues we face
today could be fixed.

:blessed: @ The idea of Honda's Asimo
running on thorium instead of having to engineer
some super battery.

Also :pacspit: @ Automakers still using fukking
fossil fuels in 2013.
Someone should one up them and pull out that
thorium whip, like Tesla did with the electric
cars. :yes:
 
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