Microsoft may lose it's multi billion android safety net that's been covering massive xbox losses

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While Microsoft is on rampage to sign more number of Android vendors to make sure its Android-cash-bank gets richer, M-Cam, a global financial institution has studied several of these patents and has revealed in a report that Microsoft’s claim on these patents is not as robust as previously imagined.

These revelations come to light after the full list of 310 patents was submitted to the Chinese government as part of the review of the purchase of the Nokia acquisition. This follows soon after it was concluded Microsoft’s licensing power could be used to pursue Chinese smartphone vendors, most of whom use Google Android as the primary OS for their range of smartphones.

Throughout 2013, Microsoft reportedly earned a whopping US$3.4 Billion through sales of Android smartphones alone. Since 2010, Microsoft has reportedly rounded up 70% of all Android device manufacturers to pay royalty for the use of its patents. During the same period, in Q2 2013 last year, the software giant earned a total of US$1.51 Billion from Android smartphone vendors. HTC reportedly pays a total of US$5 per Android phone sold to Microsoft,while the largest Android vendor Samsung paid as much as US$12 per Android device sold. This figure is estimated to have far exceeded the revenue generated from the sales of Windows phone devices and also allows Microsoft to recover any losses from the X-box, Skype or Surface division. It’s important to note these earnings to Microsoft came from the sales of Android smartphones alone, while the company also enjoys similar royalty arrangements on Android tablet devices. Therefore, it’s easy to understand that Microsoft’s last year’s earnings from Android, in total, would be at least 15% – 20% higher than US$3.4 billion.

The question remains as to whether Microsoft actually owns proprietary rights to the Android OS or is it unfairly exploiting device makers through an uninformed belief in its supposed innovation. Nearly 70% of Android OEMs have willingly agreed to pay the licensing fee, as they remain wary of the costs of a long drawn-out court battle. Motorola mobility, however, has won several of these cases and has forced some major firms to reconsider their licensing agreements with Microsoft.

Only 21% of Patents Held Had Any Commercial Relevance

Now revelations have also emerged from China, where Microsoft is facing difficulty as the country remains wary of the US technology, as recently demonstrated by the ban on Windows 8 on government computers. To maintain their profits, it is likely that Chinese Android smartphone vendors will resist paying any licensing fee to Microsoft. By making the patent list public, Microsoft may have unwittingly allowed other smartphone vendors to discover whether they have similar patents which precede Microsoft’s patents. This may allow them to negotiate with the tech giant for a better deal.

Interestingly, it was revealed that only 21% of Microsoft’s patents was classified as commercial while 79% was classified as non-commercial. This implies that only a fifth of these patents was relevant, as non-commercial patents have little chance of being licensed and lack market relevance. Also, there are at least 11,000 expired patents from the Android innovation space and another 14,000 from the abandoned Android innovation space. It is believed that companies can now find free alternatives to the Microsoft licensing package.companies which have patents

Moving on to the 127 patent agreement Microsoft holds, even more surprising results were unearthed. At least 40 of Microsoft’s Android patents were proceeded by patents from other companies, which were not mentioned by Microsoft. This finding casts a shadow of doubt over the remaining patents as well. Companies such as Dell Inc. (NASDAQ:DELL), Sony Corp (ADR) (NYSE:SNE) and Panasonic Corporation (ADR) (OTCMKTS:PCRFY) had previously signed licensing agreements with Microsoft.

According to previous estimations Microsoft’s licensing fee revenues could soar to as much as US$8.8 billion by 2017. That now seems unlikely as the next few years will see several legal and business challenges to Microsoft’s Android patent portfolio. There are enough evidences suggesting that several companies, including the largest payer Samsung, are all set to oppose Microsoft’s licensing deals both legally and commercially.

http://www.dazeinfo.com/2014/07/17/m...#ixzz37oN2EBAC

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This is being covered all over the net by tech sites, but it may play an important part in the financing of the XBox brand.

Remember the talk last year that Xbox was losing $2B a year, but Microsoft was able to cover those losses with Android?:

According to Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund, however, Microsoft isn't quite over that hump just yet. It is, in fact, bleeding money at an alarming rate, but nobody's noticed because the losses are masked by Android licensing revenues.

"If we start with the overall traditional [Entertainment and Devices Division] business that actually loses money before corporate allocations and back out the nearly $2 billion 95 percent gross margin Android phone royalties, we conclude that Xbox platform plus Windows phone and Skype lose about $2.5 billion per year, and we estimate that the Xbox platform may account for roughly $2 billion of this," Sherlund said.

That staggering loss, he added, "is concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties" that come out of licensing deals Microsoft has with makers of Android devices, which were forced by Google's infringement on various Microsoft patents during the development of the Android OS. Xbox is a "cool" product and successful consumer franchise, Sherlund said, "but it also loses a lot of money and we think is a distraction to the more enterprise strengths of Microsoft."

Sherlund isn't alone in this view: In January, Forbes analyst Adam Hartung also described the Xbox business as a distraction and today it was reported that Stephen Elop, one of the candidates to replace outgoing Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, said he will sell off the division if he gets the job.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...x-Analyst-Says
 

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That xbox division will be sold off within 5 years, bet that.


Sherlund isn't alone in this view: In January, Forbes analyst Adam Hartung also described the Xbox business as a distraction and today it was reported that Stephen Elop, one of the candidates to replace outgoing Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, said he will sell off the division if he gets the job.


:damn:

I'd @ some friends but they might cry to mods

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All jokes aside, Nadella probably will sell it off. Dude looks like he is on some straight "if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense" tip.

The money and R&D that would go into the Xbox 2 if MS decided to abandon the xbox one early would probably be too much for Nadella's liking as well.
 

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All jokes aside, Nadella probably will sell it off. Dude looks like he is on some straight "if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense" tip.

The money and R&D that would go into the Xbox 2 if MS decided to abandon the xbox one early would probably be too much for Nadella's liking as well.
It was all good just a (2) E3 ago :smugbiden:
 

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and they wonder why IOS looks and behaves the way it does....
apple does well for working with constraints.

And Android is open source for a reason...charge for it and you have to deal with Microsoft. Google is a pretty smart ad company...but they can't shift to cranking out phones like an apple unless they base it on chrome OS.
 

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:ohhh:@Hiphoplives4eva I would love hear your thoughts on this
 

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GOALPOSTS!!! :snoop:

How did I move the goalpost when that is exactly what the post YOU quoted was implying? I understand that stannery doesn't allow rational thought, but try harder. Any how it's a interesting dynamic. Microsoft is losing billions on the xbox division while Microsoft as a whole is still strong. On the other hand The play station division is making a killing while Sony execs across in all divisions are taking pay cuts.
 
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