Lets Talk African History: The Swahili Coast

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As promised, here is another thread from my "Lets talk African history" series. And again as a theme of the series this is a non-Ancient Egyptian African civilization. Yet another African civilization by Bantu people, who I consider a very underrated group, the Swahili civilization/city states. Many of us, especially us blacks in America know about the language, but not really the interesting civilization. To me the Swahili coast beats Ancient Egypt in some ways in terms of complexity. Their architecture alone is one of the best in Africa. Also they(and horner kingdoms like those from Somalis and Ethiopians) refute some of the biggest myths about Africans and that Africans somehow were too stupid to sail and go into the seas. Well Swahili culture was big in sailing, especially living off the coast and having to trade. That's why I also find them interesting. And back to architecture, I also find them interesting that they mostly built in stone. Which is kinda unique as most African cultures including even the Ancient Egyptians built in either mudbrick or wood. They are also unique in that their language and culture is a mixture between a lot outside influences like Arab, Persian and I even heard Chinese!!!:ohhh:

Though the downside of the Swahili civilizations is that a good number of them would be what we call "c00ns", especially those from Zanzibar who specialized in selling slaves from the interior to Arabs and were the main ones. But other than that Kilwa and Mombasa said to very beautiful by outsiders. And if I remember correctly the people of the Swahili coast were the Zanjs.

But before I continue with this thread, we have to go back in time. Since who occupied the Swahili coast has always been up in debates. Historians use to try to say it was either Arabs or Persian. Luckily that has been debunked...Especially by a Swahili archaeologist himself.
A discovery which a Tanzanian archaeologist believes will change how East African history is regarded has been made on tiny Juani Island, off the Tanzanian coast.

Felix Chami, professor of archaeology at the University of Dar es Salaam has uncovered a major site on Juani, near Mafia Island, which he believes will substantially increase the evidence that East Africa was part of a wider Indian Ocean community.

Previous to Dr Chami's other discoveries on the Tanzanian coast, scholars had never considered East Africa as part of the ancient world.

The professor had been alerted to the existence of the cave by two local men who informed Peter Byrne, owner of a small lodge on Mafia Island and supporter of efforts to discover the intriguing history of these small islands - which are now entirely dependent on fishing.

Cave spirits

We sailed on a dhow from Mafia Island to a beach on nearby Juani Island which Dr Chami believes may have been an ancient port since the Iron Age.


Unlike the other islands, Juani has fresh water and soil suitable for agriculture.

The two local men, whose curiosity had overcome beliefs that the caves are inhabited by spirits, led us more than a kilometre along jungle tracks.

The men hacked a path through the luxuriant growth with pangas which revealed a collapsed coral cave around 20 metres in diameter.

With the help of hanging vines we climbed down into the cave.

Major site

Scattered throughout the seven to 10-metre-high overhanging cave were shards of pottery, human bones and three skulls.

Dr Chami examined the skulls but said only carbon dating would establish their age.

He was most excited by the large habitable area of soft loose soil, at least 50 square metres.

"There could be three metres of layers here to establish a cultural chronology," he says.

"This is a marvel. I believe this was a major Iron Age site. I can assure you this will change the archaeology of East Africa."

Felix Chami will return to the site with his team after the rainy season to start a full excavation.

In the past five years Dr Chami has overturned the belief that Swahili civilisation was simply the result of Indian Ocean trade networks.

Trade secrets

"It was thought that Swahili settlements were founded by foreigners, particularly by Islamic traders," he says. "But these discoveries show the people here were interacting with other civilisations - and long before the Islamic era."

Dr Chami believes the coastal communities may have been trading animal goods, such as ivory as well as iron.

Dr. Chami utilised the writings of Greek geographer Ptolemy (c.87-150 AD) who described settlements in East Africa as "metropolis" and also referred to "cave dwellers".

Ptolemy even specified a latitude eight degrees south on a large river -the location of the Rufiji river.

It was there on the hills above the river that Dr Chami found the remains of settlements with ancient trading goods and evidence of agriculture.

Directly opposite the Rufiji delta are Mafia & Juani Islands.

Dr Chami's excavations uncovered cultural artefacts which have been carbon dated to 600 BC.

They included Greco-Roman pottery, Syrian glass vessels, Sassanian pottery from Persia and glass beads.

But Felix Chami believes the new site on Juani Island may well be the most significant yet.
BBC News | AFRICA | Tanzanian dig unearths ancient secret

^^^Now what you look at that... The so called "inferior Bantus" not only occupied the Swahili coast first, but they were trading with major civilizations such as the Greeks/Romans and Persians since antiquity. Meanwhile the Arabs were still in their deserts in Arabia and were mostly isolated.

But more importantly there goes the myth that Africans from the interior were largely isolated from the world.:rolleyes:
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Anyways adding on to the Swahili origins.
The Origin of The Swahili Towns
Scholars had, up to the end of the twentieth century, debated the origin of the Swahili people and their stone town culture. Such debates revolved on the question of who the Swahili people were (Allen 1974, 1983; Nurse and Spear 1985; Pouwels 1987; Horton 1987; and Chami 1994, 1998). The original popular conception was that the Swahili people and their culture originated from the Middle East. These were alleged to have arrived in waves of immigration. Individuals in these waves founded settlements, which later grew into larger Swahili stone towns. Chittick (1974, 1975) used chronicles, particularly that of Kilwa, and archaeology to argue that the earliest immigrants could have arrived on the East African coast not earlier that the ninth century. This view suggested, therefore, that the Swahili people were originally Persians or Arabs who would later have mixed with Africans. Due to their alleged origin in the Muslim world the Swahili people were necessarily Muslims and people of towns.

Archaeologists such as Horton (1987), influenced by Allen (1983), suggested that the Swahili were people of Cushytic origin, from the northeast of Africa, who were originally pastoralists. The pastoralists, who are alleged to have ruled the Bantu speakers in a mythical land called Shunguaya, mixed with Bantu speakers, adopted Islam and spread to the rest of the coast and islands of East Africa. In this theory the Swahili people are seen as Africans who also mixed with the people of the Middle East in the process of adopting Islam and trade. This position was made more prominent in the 1990s (Horton 1990; Abungu 1994–1995; Sutton 1994–1995) in an attempt to quash the discovery that the Swahili people were Africans of Bantu origin, people of the general region of Eastern and Southern Africa who were agriculturalists and fishermen.

That the Swahili people did speak a Bantu language was a point recognised by linguists from the 1980s (Nurse and Spear 1985). Archaeologists had also established settlements of Early Iron Working people near the coast; scholars recognised that they were early Bantu speakers (Soper 1971; Phillipson 1977). Historians also recognised that the people reported by the Romans in the first centuries AD to have inhabited East Africa, then known as Azania, were agriculturalists and probably Bantu speaking (Casson 1989). In the early 1990s this author suggested that the cultural tradition found in the earliest Swahili settlements was culturally related to that of the Early Iron Working tradition (Chami 1994). In some cases settlements of the Early Iron Working people and those of the so‐called early Swahili, termed by this author as Triangular Incised Ware tradition, were found in the same location. In some cases the later was found superimposed over the former in the offshore islands and on the coastal littoral of the central coast of Tanzania (Chami 1998, 1999a).

The evidence of cultural continuity from the time of Christ, through the mid‐first millennium AD, to the time of the foundation of the Swahili towns in the early centuries of the second millennium AD, has now been recognised by many scholars (Kusimba 1999; Sinclair and Hakansson 2000; Spear 2000). Those who disagreed with the the first set of evidence for this continuity have now revised their ideas (Horton 1996; Horton and Middleton 2000; Sutton 1998). Archaeological findings now prove that the Swahili coast had been settled by an agricultural and trading population from the time of Pharaonic Egypt, 3000 BCE, through the Greaco‐Roman period (Chami 2006). Whereas the former was of Neolithic tradition, the latter was an Early Iron Working culture. Throughout these periods the Indian Ocean, just like it was during the time of Islam, had brisk trade with communities of Asia, the Middle East and the Red Sea/Mediterranean worlds. Ceramics and beads as evidence of trade of all these pre‐Islamic trading periods have now been recovered from the islands of Zanzibar, Mafia, Kilwa and Rufiji River (for conspectus see Chami 1999b, 2004, 2006).

The most recent thinking that the early Swahili people, or Zanj of the Arab documents, were Indonesians/Austronesians (dikk‐Read 2005) is an attempt to disregard the archaeological, linguistic and historical data already established. For this recent thinking to be regarded as scientific at least a discussion of the previous thinking on the subject matter and its flaws should have be debated.

Some Cultural Aspects of the Swahili Towns
General Culture
The culture of the Swahili towns, as already suggested, is African with an infusion of Islamic traits. It is these infused Islamic traits such as religion, law, language, writing and costume which have made many students of the Swahili culture identify the people as Arabs. The people who had adopted this culture themselves wanted to be identified as Arabs or Persians. However, Ibn Baṭṭūṭa identified the people as ‘Sawahil’ and the earliest European visitors to the Swahili world, the Portuguese, identified the people as ‘Moors’ or ‘Suaili’ as opposed to Arabs.

De Barros, as Ibn Baṭṭūṭa did, also identified the Sultans of Kilwa as black people (Chittick 1975: 39). Barbosa, writing in about 1518, wrote, “Of the Moors there are some fair and some black, they are finely clad in many rich garments of gold and silk and cotton.” To show that the Swahilis were different from Arabs, the Queen of Kilwa in the mid‐eighteenth century wrote a letter calling home her people who had run away from the Arab/Omani domination of Kilwa to Mozambique. This was written in Kiswahili and not in Arabic; a Swahili letter suggesting that it was only the Europeans/Christians who were in conflict with the Arabs, but not the African/Swahili people (Omar and Frankl 1994).
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I thought the people of Zanzibar were the offspring of Arab men and the women of the Swahili coast.
 

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I thought the people of Zanzibar were the offspring of Arab men and the women of the Swahili coast.

Its much more complex than that. The settlement of the Swahili coast predates Muslims. Zanzibar was just one islands. Anyways Felix who is a archolaogist has done a good job in refuting the idea that the Swahili coast was founded by non-Bantu Africans.


^^He addresses Zanzibar in the video.

This video also is interesting in refuting the idea that Arabs founded the Swahili coast.


^See timestamp 0:19

 

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Now lets touch base on how the Swahili cities were described and the people.

ln 133l a very famous scholar and world traveler from the City of Fez, Morocco traveled down the east coast of Africa. This traveler's name was Ibn Battuta. Ibn Battuta left in his memoir descriptions of all the foreign cities he visited all over the world.

When he went to East Africa he visited the famous city of Kilwa. Ibn Battuta described Kilwa as "one of the most beautiful and well constructed towns in the world." In the city of Kilwa government officials, teachers and accomplished business men greeted Ibn Battuta.

The people of Kilwa are generally called "Swahili". Today, as in the past, the Swahili people mainly reside in East Africa. The name "Swahili" comes from the Arabic term "Sahel" or "Swahil". These words mean "shore" or "coastline". Since they resided along the coastal areas these east African peoples called themselves "Swahili" meaning "people of the coastline".

The period when the Swahili people initially occupied East Africa goes back more than 2000 years. Initially small groups coming from other parts of Africa began to settle in the area. These groups established small villages along this east coast area. Because of its close proximity, these peoples took to the ocean. Due to their frequent contact with the Indian Ocean their ocean navigational capabilities and ship sailing skills evolved to a high level. Soon the Swahili people were able to voyage for long distances and for extended periods across the Indian Ocean.

The Swahili eventually made contact with other countries along the Indian Ocean. Swahili sailors were able to reach Arabia, India, Indonesia and even China. Strong trade links were established between East Africa and these other nations. The Swahili became very wealthy due to these trade links. Between the 10th to the 15th century more than 30 trading-cities or trading~empires developed along the east coast of Africa.These cities existed in the areas which today are called Kenya, Tanzania and the island of Zanzibar.


During the peak period of this commerce, on any given day, Swahili sailors could be seen loading their large ships with gold, iron, ivory and coconuts, and unloading from them textiles and jewelry from India and exquisite porcelain from China. The Swahili also saw ships from China and other nations pulling into their harbors. These ships were making frequent stops at Lamu, Malindi, Mombosa and other trading city-states along the east African coast. These cities had developed into affluent thriving cosmopolitan cultures due to this trade. East African ivory was in high demand during this period and this ivory found its way into India, the Persian Gulf and China. South African gold was also in high demand.


Three major items used in East African trade. Ivory, gold and salt. African elephant tusks were the source of most of Asia's ivory.

Gold coins were much sought after in North Africa and cylinders of salt were in demand in South Africa.


In 1500 the Portuguese sailed to East Africa for the first time. This expedition was under the command of Pedro Alvares Cabral. When the Portuguese saw the Swahili they were astonished. One sailor on the ship wrote:

ln this land there are rich merchants and there is much gold and sliver and amber and pearls. Those of the land wear clothes of fine cotton and of silk and many fine things, and they are blackmen.
The liveliest and most prosperous city in all of East Africa during this period was the island of Kilwa. The island essentially functioned like that of a market middleman. The Kilwa rulers controlled the exchange of goods between inner Africa and other nations along the Indian Ocean. This middleman role made the Kilwa rulers some of the wealthiest individuals on the entire continent. In 1961 Nevill Chitic unearthed the mosque and palace of the last Kilwa ruler. This structure is called the "Husuni Kubwa". It was the largest domestic residence in all of East Africa. The palace had well over 100 rooms, with galleries, patios, and separate sections for residential and commercial purposes.

The citizens of Kilwa possessed very lavish, modern looking homes on the island. Some of their homes were actually two to three stories high. Many of them contained rugs from Persia, jewelry from India, spices from Southeast Asia and bowls from China. The Swahili made their homes out of the most available materials: namely, mangrove poles and coral. The main building material was a coarse vesicular coral broken into irregular blocks. When this coral is initially taken from the reef it is very soft and easily cut. As it is exposed to weather and rain, though, it starts to harden and become more durable. This need for the coral to weather meant buildings were often erected in stages over several years. The houses often had very impressive entrances. They usually had large arched doorways which led to private courtyards. A wide raised bank usually ran around three sides of the courtyard and provided space to sit. In this space visitors could be received and business transactions could be conducted. Usually a large narrow reception room, with wide doors and long windows, faced onto the court. Private rooms, often beautifully decorated, led off the reception rooms.

When we look at the documents and sources on Swahili or East African trade we find early Arab writings mentioning a few details here and there about the Swahili traders. We find them mentioned in such sources as the Muruj al-Dhahab, an Arab historical encyclopedia. We also have the archaeological evidence from various Asian countries, information from the Swahili oral and religious traditions and modern research now being conducted in this field.

When researching about East Africa the source most often cited is the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea. This is the earliest detailed account about Swahili trade. This book was written around the first century by a Greek ship captain living in Egypt. It discusses Swahili imports and exports, their habits and hospitality and many things about their skills and interest.

One of the biggest misconceptions people have about Africa is the belief that in the past Africans never ventured outside their homeland. This belief has proven to be a myth because in ancient times it was a generally held view amongst the Swahili that all male children were born sailors. When we look at the Swahili religious practices we find that early in their history the Swahili accepted Islam. This faith became their dominant religion. Islam also helped develop them as a mercantile sea-faring people because the pursuit of trade, commerce and traveling to distant lands are highly encouraged in the Islamic faith. "Go in quest of knowledge, even unto China." was a popular saying of Mohammed, the founding prophet of Islam. Other sayings of his include "Travel for vigor and profit", and "The timid merchant gains nothing but disappointment while the bold one makes a living."
ISLAMIC AFRICAN EMPIRES

^The original source for this was from a book named, "They Came Before Marco Polo."

 

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my favorite part of Africa

why is Somalia part of it though, when they teamed up with the Portuguese to take down Lamu(luckily with assistance from the Turks, the Lamu residents got it back)?

I don't know why? Strange. But yeah the Swahili civilization LITERALLY debunks almost all misconceptions/myths about Africa and Africans.
 

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I definitely remember seeing their architecture for the first time and being impressed.

Funny that you mention Al Jahiz, as he wrote that the Zanj stated that the arabs have never conquered the blacks. The Zanj also differentiated themselves from the Nubians, Abyssinians, and other groups of blacks. It seems as though the Zanj were then a particular tribe or ethnic group, ptobably the Swahili then.

And everybody knows that the Zanj, Abyssinians and Nubians or surely not white or red but definitely black

another quote pointing to the connection to the Swahilis and Zanj

The natives in the Bilad Zanj are in both Qambalu (Pemba) and Lunjuya (Unguja), just as
Arabs are the descendants of Adnan and Qahtan in the Middle East.
You have yet to see a member of the Langawiya kind, either from the coast (al-Sawahil),
or from the interior (al-Jouf).
 

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. Which is kinda unique as most African cultures including even the Ancient Egyptians built in either mudbrick or wood. They are also unique in that their language and culture is a mixture i

I think this is a great thread, so keep it up, however the statement i highlighted is very incorrect. They used all kinds of materials including stones, and i don't believe many wood items would last that long, in comparison to stone.


The ancient Egyptians built their pyramids, tombs, temples and palaces out of stone, the most durable of all building materials.

Egyptian civilization - Architecture

That is why many of the monuments last so long due to the durability of the materials was used, but continue on this thread, where i will take a backseat.
 

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I definitely remember seeing their architecture for the first time and being impressed.

Funny that you mention Al Jahiz, as he wrote that the Zanj stated that the arabs have never conquered the blacks. The Zanj also differentiated themselves from the Nubians, Abyssinians, and other groups of blacks. It seems as though the Zanj were then a particular tribe or ethnic group, ptobably the Swahili then.



another quote pointing to the connection to the Swahilis and Zanj

The same people that gave the Arabs one of their biggest wars. :wow:

Like I said there is good arguments that the Zanj revolt was not some "slave revolt", but a large scale war.

Anyways I thought it was the Abyssinians(modern day Ethiopians) who made the claim that Arabs never conquered them? Anyways I'm gonna get to the Zanjs later in this thread. As they are a big topic.
 

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I think this is a great thread, so keep it up, however the statement i highlighted is very incorrect. They used all kinds of materials including stones, and i don't believe many wood items would last that long, in comparison to stone.



Egyptian civilization - Architecture

That is why many of the monuments last so long due to the durability of the materials was used, but continue on this thread, where i will take a backseat.
You are almost correct, but stone building in African culture(including Egypt) was most constructed for religious/spiritual purpose. This is why Egypt was known as the civilization without cities to archaeologist. The average citizen in Kemet lived in mud buildings when it came to urban setting.

Most of the ancient Egyptian buildings have disappeared leaving no trace. Built of sun baked bricks made of Nile mud and straw, houses, palaces and city walls crumbled when they stopped being looked after. Stone structures like temples and tombs fared better, but even they fell victim to the ravages of time, the greed of men, to earthquakes and subsidence. One shouldn't be surprised by what has disappeared but by how much is left.
Building in ancient Egypt

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The same people that gave the Arabs one of their biggest wars. :wow:

Like I said there is good arguments that the Zanj revolt was not some "slave revolt", but a large scale war.

Anyways I thought it was the Abyssinians(modern day Ethiopians) who made the claim that Arabs never conquered them? Anyways I'm gonna get to the Zanjs later in this thread. As they are a big topic.

If I remember correctly, it was stated that the Arabs had never conquered the blacks(in general), and that the Abyssinians ruled the area until Mecca. I could be wrong though. I've heard that as well, there was a good book I found about the subject as well and have been meaning to purchase.

Anyways, back to the Swahili. I use to have so many pictures of their architecture before my old computer crashed. I'll go look for some and post a little later.
 

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Lets further refute the silly idea of inner African isolation from the rest of the world. With this post I want to touch base further on Swahili trade with the Chinese. Which I find really fascinating.

Ancient Chinese Coin Found on Kenyan Island by Field Museum Expedition
A joint expedition of scientists led by Chapurukha M. Kusimba of The Field Museum and Sloan R. Williams of the University of Illinois at Chicago has unearthed a 600-year-old Chinese coin on the Kenyan island of Manda that shows trade existed between China and east Africa decades before European explorers set sail and changed the map of the world.

The coin, a small disk of copper and silver with a square hole in the center so it could be worn on a belt, is called “Yongle Tongbao” and was issued by Emperor Yongle who reigned from 1403-1425AD during the Ming Dynasty. The emperor’s name is written on the coin, making it easy to date. Emperor Yongle, who started construction of China’s Forbidden City, was interested in political and trade missions to the lands that ring the Indian Ocean and sent Admiral Zheng He, also known as Cheng Ho, to explore those shores.

“Zheng He was, in many ways, the Christopher Columbus of China,” said Dr. Kusimba, Curator of African Anthropology at The Field Museum. “It’s wonderful to have a coin that may ultimately prove he came to Kenya,” he added.

Dr. Kusimba continued, “This finding is significant. We know Africa has always been connected to the rest of the world, but this coin opens a discussion about the relationship between China and Indian Ocean nations.”

That relationship stopped soon after Emperor Yongle’s death when later Chinese rulers banned foreign expeditions, allowing European explorers to dominate the Age of Discovery and expand their countries’ empires.

The island of Manda, off the northern coast of Kenya, was home to an advanced civilization from about 200AD to 1430AD, when it was abandoned and never inhabited again. Trade played an important role in the development of Manda, and this coin may show trade’s importance on the island dating back to much earlier than previously thought.

“We hope this and future expeditions to Manda will play a crucial role in showing how market-based exchange and urban-centered political economies arise and how they can be studied through biological, linguistic, and historical methodologies,” Dr. Kusimba said.

Other researchers who participated in the expedition to Manda include Dr. Janet Monge from the University of Pennsylvania, Mohammed Mchulla, staff scientist at Fort Jesus National Museums of Kenya and Dr. Amelia Hubbard from Wright State University. Also involved was Professor Tiequan Zhu of Sun Yat-Sen University, who identified the coin. The researchers also found human remains and other artifacts that predate the coin.

Ancient Chinese Coin Found on Kenyan Island by Field Museum Expedition

Chinese search for Ming shipwreck off Kenyan coast


Chinese archaeologists are due to begin searching for the remains of a Chinese ship believed to have sunk off the Kenyan coast 600 years ago.

The shipwreck could provide evidence of the first contact between China and east Africa.

The three-year project will search in northern Kenyan coastal waters off Lamu island and Malindi.

The joint initiative by China and Kenya comes after porcelain from China's Ming dynasty was found in the area.

Eleven experts will excavate key sites on land, ahead of the arrival of the maritime team in August.

The ship is believed to have sailed during China's Ming dynasty as part of a fleet led by Adm Zheng He, who reached Malindi in 1418.

Half a century before Columbus, Adm Zheng is said to have commanded huge expeditions in an effort to increase recognition and trade for Ming rule, which began in 1368.

'Sultan's village'
Herman Kiriama, Kenya's head of coastal archaeology, said he hoped the project would make some important findings about early relations between China and Africa.

"It will be a big achievement because it will tell us a lot about what happened in the Indian Ocean before the European powers - Spain, Portugal - started their trading routes to India," he told the BBC.

"We have a lot of mixed Chinese pots dating back to that period so we know the ship must have sailed sometime here".

He says they hope to find out more about ship engineering from that period.

The team, which is due to arrive later on Monday, will try to find the original village of the Sultan of Malindi - who is rumoured to have given Zheng a giraffe as a gift - by digging up areas near the village of Mambrui.

According to legend, some sailors survived the ship's sinking, swam to shore, and were allowed to stay after they killed a deadly snake.

In 2005, as part of an event in the run-up to the 600th anniversary of Zheng's first voyage, the Chinese paid a visit to Lamu to undertake DNA tests on a Swahili family, who were found to have had traces of Chinese ancestry.
Chinese search for Ming shipwreck off Kenyan coast - BBC News

Then we have this.
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A giraffe exported to China from East Africa.

I;m starting to think it is Swahili origins and not Ethiopian/Somali like I once thought.
 

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If I remember correctly, it was stated that the Arabs had never conquered the blacks(in general), and that the Abyssinians ruled the area until Mecca. I could be wrong though. I've heard that as well, there was a good book I found about the subject as well and have been meaning to purchase.
Yeah, its known that the Abyssianians or Axumites ruled southern Arabia.

Anyways, back to the Swahili. I use to have so many pictures of their architecture before my old computer crashed. I'll go look for some and post a little later.

Can't wait.
 

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You are almost correct, but stone building in African culture(including Egypt) was most constructed for religious/spiritual purpose. This is why Egypt was known as the civilization without cities to archaeologist. The average citizen in Kemet lived in mud buildings when it came to urban setting.

Most of the ancient Egyptian buildings have disappeared leaving no trace. Built of sun baked bricks made of Nile mud and straw, houses, palaces and city walls crumbled when they stopped being looked after. Stone structures like temples and tombs fared better, but even they fell victim to the ravages of time, the greed of men, to earthquakes and subsidence. One shouldn't be surprised by what has disappeared but by how much is left.
Building in ancient Egypt

Anyways thanks for the posts. :smile:


Actually a ancient stone city has been found which was a buried underneath of the sands and according to archaeologist is about 24 foot ball fields in size and well preserved and with a very large Amun temple in North Sudan. This is the meroitic period, which is a separate from what is later became Roman Egypt. According to Archaeologist is can take over 30 years or more to excavate the entire city which is still buried in the sands, and locals villages no doubt are on top of the remains of the ancient city

You can find that information here, which they got from another website which is broken, and there is a video on youtube from archaeologist that discovered that city, which according to them is well preserved.
Search for the Lost City of Nubia - EgyptSearch Forums
Société des Cultures Nubiennes- La Nubie historique et archéologique -Dangeil

, but lets get back to the Swahili, because i think they are very interesting
 
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