For those who experience/experienced depression or want a better quality of living

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The Power of Thinking

This is for those of you that suffer from depression as well as others who just are not happy or want to increase the quality of your life. Depression is different for each and every person. For some it’s like being in an abusive relationship, for others its like drowning, suffocating, a rollercoaster, for me it was like a pendulum. Depression can be brought on after a time of distorted thinking or irrational beliefs that are repeated throughout childhood and into adulthood. Prior to depression it may manifest as anxiety as well as other behavioral and personality disorders. It can also be brought on by a traumatic experience. Regardless of how it feels to you or what brought it on, you have the ability to enjoy a better quality of life.

To shorten this as much as possible (yeah, this didn’t end up working) there are two things you will want to ask yourself. Where is my thinking? Is it in the past, present or future? Secondly, am I thinking positively?

A popular internet cliché from Lao Tzu is
  • If you are depressed, you are living in the past. If you are anxious, you are living in the future. If you are at peace, you are living in the present.
As silly as it is (to me because its posted on the internet along with some dumb picture that people post on social media deriving it of all meaning and not being able to elaborate on it), it is true.

Now while there isn’t a source of depression because individual’s resilience cannot be measured, there are two factors I will mention. First is trauma or some sort of traumatic occurrence, it could be abuse, a car accident, exposure to war, rape, and even unresolved grief. The second is repeated patterns of irrational or distorted thinking. It might seem like I'm jumping around but there is only the easier said then done way of approaching this: Learn the lesson or acknowledge the facts and begin to move forward. Now if there is some lesson, i.e. your girl/boy left you because, or you did something wrong, can’t forgive yourself, can’t forgive someone else....if there is a lesson (i.e. you didn’t have your shyt together and the love of your life left you) or something happened (abuse) Then you need to acknowledge and accept it. Validation is so important I should and could talk about it at length but I won’t. Long story short, you need to validate whatever it is so you can move forward. Validation comes from you, not anyone else. You didn’t abuse yourself, leave yourself, or die...and even if you are the source of the endless dark pit that is depression you can't begin to move forward until you validate yourself. People often want validation or an apology from someone else, it doesn’t work that way. It could help, but at the end of the day you’re the one who is depressed, not your abuser, not the person who left you, not bill collector and repo man, not the person who died. Why give someone else that power to prevent you from moving forward with your life?

You cannot change the past. You cannot change the past. Thinking or dwelling on it for 100 years won’t change it. You can change the future. Don't let what happened in the past completely effect what happens in your future. Everyone can stay stuck on something that has happened, the difference between them and you is resilience, your ability to cope. I’m not going to discuss coping skills and resilience but I will brief on two important parts, reframing and perspective. We all tell ourselves a story, or an excuse that typically is negative “I suck at math.” “I can’t do it (anything)” “I’m worthless” “She/he doesn’t love me” When we continue to tell ourselves that, we aren’t going to overcome it, it’s always going to feel the same every time if not worse but if we reframe, that is to change the words that we use to tell ourselves and others these stories we can start to feel better and then begin the process of moving forth (whatever that may lead to). For instance “I’m not good at math, I never applied myself at the time when I was learning various components and I was always kind of playing catch up.”, “I don’t know/ am not sure if I can do this”, “I’m struggling with” (because nobody is worthless, instead of using the word worthless identify with why you feel that way), “We weren’t right for each other.”

When you speak to yourself and/or define yourself to others using absolutes “I suck”, “I can’t” etc. or using generalizations “I’m worthless”, you aren’t even providing yourself an opportunity for change and subtlety indicating that you don’t want to change. When I tell you I can’t make the NFL, that’s a good indicator that I won’t be going to a training camp or combine just to validate that claim, I am not going to try. When you generalize that your worthless, is it your entire life and all that it entails? Your hair, legs, lungs, job, car, house, talents, skills, hopes, dreams, and aspirations? If you are going to change something or want to change something you have to be specific.

Now people typically get down on themselves or drown in sorrow when they remember lost ones, either by death or separation. While that is appropriate, grief is not a life long condition, you are supposed to and designed to grieve and move forward. Unfortunately there aren’t any specific methods or guidelines to grieving, everyone does it in there own way. A lot of people that are depressed need to change what or how they are thinking about what it is that is bringing them down. For instance, regarding the passing of my mother, I’m never going be ok or alright with her death and the days and weeks preceding her it. It will always bring me down. I spent a significant part of my experience with depression focusing on that, as well as other losses and the events surrounding the loss. I avoided the topics, tried to rid myself of even thinking about them because when I did I immediately thought of the negative. I had a negative thought connotation with my own mother. It wasn’t until I learned the hard and long way to think about the good times and the good things associated with her and others and really anything in my life, that I was able to “pull myself up by the bootstraps”. Something so simple. I have relaxed with one of my best friends and we talked about our moms (both of our moms have passed, and we were there for each other when they happened), we both experienced nontraditional grief and were depressed- his manifested in a serious drinking problem, mine was just complete and total isolation, but him and I have sat down and had extensive conversations about our mothers, shared stories, we have laughed, and even cried, but not the sad, depressed “I miss her, how will I ever survive, why” cry.”, but more of a I miss her but I appreciate the happiness every moment type of cry. I have used that on an ex-girlfriend. There was a time I couldn’t say her name and if you were around me you couldn’t either. I was hurt and angry, particularly for much longer than I should have been but once again there is not specific guideline for grief. But it wasn’t until I reframed the story I was telling myself, “She fukking hates me, I fukked up, she was perfect, I can’t believe she left me.” To “We had good times, but at the end of the day she wanted or needed something I couldn’t provide and we’ve gone our separate ways.” And instead of thinking about the events that lead to our separation, I thought and sometimes occasionally think of the good times, the fun times, the sweet times. I’m not bitter or hurt anymore, since then I have moved on and become a better person (relationship wise) than I ever was because I was able to acknowledge and validate, reframe and change my perspective, which simply put is/was to: change my thinking and think positive.

If you’re thinking too much about the future, your doing yourself a disservice. It's good to have a plan. If you fail to plan, then plan to fail. But planning like everything else should be in moderation. It’s like packing for a flight. It’s reasonable to pack a week before, maybe 1.5 to 2 weeks before. Packing the night before or morning after is cutting it close. Once you've packed, and got your stuff in order all you have to do is wait. The same applies to your life, some people change their resume twice a month every couple of months and aren't even looking for employment (already have a job), or they hoard things thinking they are going to need them at a much later time. Just like living in the past, having your mindset too far in the future which you can’t control (you can effect it but not control it) is bad for whatever your doing right now.

The ultimate goal is to be present centered. Think about and live in the present, the right now. You've heard people say smell the roses. It is a technique that like most techniques needs to be practiced and refined but the more you do it the easier it becomes. You’re living it when you can say "There's no place I'd rather be than right here." You might have felt that, when you wake up and are laying in bed, or are in a hot shower that is just what you need, after a good meal or sex, after graduating..sometime in your life even if it was for a second. At that moment in time you weren’t in the past, you weren’t in the future your mindset was right there.
Now, are you thinking positively? Another easier said than done right? Consider this. Bill Gates, Lebron James, Michael Jordan, most people that are doing things with their life aren’t doing them by thinking negatively. They’ve lost games and championships, business deals, and more money than we will ever see individually. They aren’t dwelling on it; they are and have moved forward. People who climb Mount Everest and Kilimanjaro aren’t approaching it with the thought "I’m not going to make it to the top." They are thinking positively. Each and everything we do, we can do it positively or negatively. Chances are if you’re depressed, your thoughts are generally negative.

Happiness, although it occurs naturally, is not a natural process. It isn’t something that comes every once in a while, by luck or chance. It is a choice. Granted there are times when it occurs naturally, i.e. finding money, someone smiling at you, something funny, and something nice. Other than that, it is a choice. For instance, I’m going to go to Applebee’s for dinner. I can think, “Applebee’s is great!” “Applebee’s is ok”, or “Applebee’s fukking sucks.” Now to be completely honest, I’m not too fond of it, but I don’t want my experience to be negative so my mindset is that “Applebee’s is ok.”

A lot of people think they should just feel happy or just be happy. They are waiting for the feeling to come. They understand that it occurs naturally so when it is not occurring naturally they are in a perpetual state of dread. There’s been times when I’ve been walking down the street and found $5-$10 I’m happy as hell. Now when I go outside I don’t expect to find money and if/when I don’t I don’t feel upset about it. Why am I not happy, why do I feel this way, why are others happy? These are questions people ask themselves. If you are waiting to be happy, you’re going to spend a lot of time, years in fact, waiting for something that will never come. Ultimately you’re going to come down to a choice, should I kill myself or live unhappily? There is a third ‘choice’ that nobody often puts on their plate, it is the choice to live happily. Happiness is an emotion, you can’t feel it 24/7. Even for extroverts it’s draining. You’re never going to feel it all the time, however there is a contrast between not feeling happy and being angry or sad. There is just a state of existence where things are just ok, fine, content.

Positive thinking isn’t something that is easy to implement (Sorry!). But it is possible and like working out or eating right, quitting smoking or drinking, the longer you do it the easier it becomes, then it becomes second nature. You can start by reframing some of the negative events in your life. Say you got fired; there are two ways you can negatively handle that. You could be the person that never thinks about it (non validation) and says “I don’t want to talk about it, I don’t give a fukk! fukk them!” or you could self blame “I fukked up. I failed.” Now there are other ways i.e. blaming others, but I’ll just focus on the two. As far as the incident, acknowledge it/validate it then put a less negative or a positive spin on it. “I did my best.” Saying something like “It wasn’t for me” “I wasn’t happy” or even rationalization “I couldn’t get on board with what they wanted to accomplish” is a lot better than considering yourself a failure, or not acknowledging it at. Lebron is going to watch the championships he lost, he will acknowledge they happened, and he will get better or at least try. Bill Gates and them check the books and see what went wrong and move forward and try to do better. They don’t just pretend it didn’t happen. Until Lebron retires, he’s going to say something like “Next year…” Every year Microsoft has a big conference where they discuss new products and changes and they say something similar to “2015 is our year!” As individuals, we can set goals i.e. graduating next year, but in reality we need to be able to say “Tomorrow is my day!” and when you become advanced at positive thinking and changing your mindset/perspective you can say “At 2:00pm I’m going to have a better day”, then go do it.

Understand that you can only control yourself and your emotions. Therefore when people instigate you or piss you off, upset you, you have to consider am I going to let this affect me negatively or positively? The thing about depression is a lot of others may not know you have it, therefore being sad or upset, angry it’s not changing your situation and you like want to feel better. It sounds silly to verbalize, “I am hurt/sad/angry/depressed because you --- and you don’t even know it, because I haven’t expressed that to you.” Or “I am hurt/sad/angry/depressed because you --- and you don’t even give a shyt, therefore I am going to continue to feel hurt/sad/angry/depressed.”
 
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The thing about depression is there may not be a significant source. I was unhappy before I actually had a significant reason. If you don’t have a significant reason for being depressed and just always feel bad or low then take the time to engage in positive activities that you like. Some people are going to say “That is hard, not everyone has the resources” Well you’re right but where there is a will, there’s a way. If you like to make music but don’t have instruments, go to music stores and play theirs. Watch videos of people playing them, network with people who have them. My grandfather told me a story about when he was young he used to go to this lake, but he didn’t have a boat. He would still go, he’d fish and hang out but he knew one day he’d get a boat. Life got in the way and he never bought a boat, but he rented some and he got to boat on the lake. The point is he got to do what he wanted to do. He had a nice bit of money saved to buy and own his own boat but because he didn’t have one he didn’t just not engage. Before I bought my first MPC in 2005, I used to watch mpc videos on YouTube, and I still do. I used to chop it up with cats on SOHH and I communicate with people here in the tunnel, I listen to their beats, we talk about equipment. I go to guitar center and other music stores and mess with the gear. I also have friends with gear and instruments. I immerse myself in things I like to do.

Some would call it selfish in that I do what I want to do damn near everyday. I go to a job that I like; I have hobbies and people that have common hobbies that I associate with. I also keep myself open to new things, sometimes a friend will want me to do something that I wouldn’t normally do (i.e hiking, going to the club), but that’s life. I can choose to approach it positively or negatively. I have spent more time than I am willing to admit, being unhappy, waiting for happiness to come to me and I let life continue to move around me. There was death and the end of a significant relationship but life kept going. I had to learn the hard way. I only had two choices and my two choices were: end it all or live happily. Whatever I was going to do, I was going to do it to the fullest and they are absolutes, complete opposites. Sometimes if you want something in life you have to take it. I take my happiness.

Look at people who are ‘natural’ athletes. They move gracefully and unless you have some of those skills your often like “How do they do that?” They still think about it, but it’s easier for them to execute. It’s the same with positive thinking. Positive thoughts lead to positive feelings, which drive positive behaviors that lead to positive consequences. There was a time 2 years ago, where I received a verbal warning at work, I had to sign paperwork stating what we discussed. At the end I went about my day, about 20 minutes later the department manager calls me in and says “I just don’t feel that you took that seriously.” I said “Well, I’m upset that it happened the way it did, but I understand what happened and although people get fired for it, I’m getting a second chance. I’m not going to throw papers on the floor or start crying, I’m going to do my job and make sure I don’t do it again.” I let that situation go very quickly, despite the seriousness of it. I’ve witnessed people be upset for 8 hours and even the next day or two over things that have happened that in reality they can’t go back and change. It wouldn’t have done me any good to sit there and think, “This is some bullshyt”, while feeling angry and risking messing up again.

I’m not saying positive thinking is the cure for depression. I am saying that you can live and have a better quality of life by thinking positive which can lead to you feeling positive and make you behave or engage in positive living which has positive consequences or outcomes. I was under the heavy cloak that is depression. I was waiting to feel better. I got tired of waited and chose to start thinking better, and start feeling better. My thinking was fukked up. Completely distorted. It was so bad that a couple close friends that could put up with me hating, not wanting to see any movie that came out or go to any restaurant would say “Are you ever happy” and for laughs I had a quote “My thirst for happiness will never be quenched.” I said it jokingly, but that was my serious mindset. I thought I was never going to be happy, and I was just waiting. I was very functional. I always went to work, and went to school, I stopped going to school for a while and in a reverse exercise, instead of thinking positive and behaving positive, I jumped in and started behaving positive (rejoining school) then feeling positive because of what I had done.

We have choices. We aren’t always going to make the right choices, but we can always make the choices we feel or think is best (and even sometimes we won’t do that, i.e. drinking too much, infidelity, drugs). This could alternatively be titled, the power of choices, because you can choose. You are depressed, you can choose to lay in bed, cry, sulk, be angry—and I get it, but even though life is heavy on your shoulders, you can make small choices, small decisions to make the moments, then days, weeks, months and years better. It might be as simple as taking a shower, or having a cup of coffee, a reeses peanut butter cup, playing a videogame, listening to an album. Treat yourself, reward yourself.

You get out of life what you put in. It’s an investment. I’ve spent money I shouldn’t have buying keyboards, beat machines, guitars, bikes and videogame systems. I knew that I would get more out of those (doing something I enjoyed) then continuing to go out and spend money being broke and unhappy, sometimes having a good day/night here and there. I had to break the cycle. I ended up selling some of my gear for cash and used the money to obtain a certification, then I used that certification to get work and I ended up replacing the gear I bought. I had to put myself first. If you have to sit at home and watch Netflix on your phone and enjoy watching movies then its better to do that then sit and lay in a state of unhappiness, boredom and depression. You’ll save money doing that and can use that to further your interests, hobbies and general things you have to do in your life. Where I am at now, I don’t have an excuse to be bored, I have accumulated so many enjoyable, interesting hobbies and such that I always have something to do. You have to start small and the smallest start is just one thought.

I might have to do another write up on self awareness, learning about yourself and loving yourself unconditionally. Just like people intend to love others, they have to love themselves; because you can’t love someone more than you love yourself. A lot of people are hollow because they know more about others then they do about themselves, who’s related to who, how much they make, everything they did to get to where they are today (think about people who know a lot about celebrities), but they don’t know a damn thing about themselves. You have to take time to know yourself. Take yourself out to a nice dinner and a movie, a walk, a drive. It’s a process like everything else in life.



I hope this information somewhat helps, leave feedback in the thread. If anything, let's have a discussion. There are no definite answers but collectively we have different experiences and education and regardless of all the bs that goes on around here we like helping each other out when we can.

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You're not supposed to think yourself out of depression. The APA says so. :sas2: Lot of food for thought in that article, though. Will sit down and read it thoroughly.
 

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You're not supposed to think yourself out of depression. The APA says so. :sas2: Lot of food for thought in that article, though. Will sit down and read it thoroughly.

If thinking was the cure then there wouldnt be a need for pharmaceuticals.This here is the cognitive portion. Mild to severe depression in most cases will require the use of medication. Medication alone will not resolve or effectively help (it may temporariy alleviate symptoms). The use of cogitive therapy with medication and particularly a strong support system is the most effective way to treat depression.

Also it's not an article. I typed it up and put it in the quote box to make it look presentable. I speak on various portions of the topics discussed here for a living. For my next one I might just video it and upload to youtube and put it on the coli.
 

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Find something constructive that gives you direction and makes you a better person. This is how I dealt with depression back in in college.
 
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Find something constructive that gives you direction and makes you a better person. This is how I dealt with depression back in in college.
could you elaborate? I am all for constructivism, but if,when you have serious/major depression being a better person may seem like going to the moon as one would simply appreciate being able to get out of bed today, not break down or even live to see the following evening.
 

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could you elaborate? I am all for constructivism, but if,when you have serious/major depression being a better person may seem like going to the moon as one would simply appreciate being able to get out of bed today, not break down or even live to see the following evening.
I started martial arts training in 2006...without it I probably would have killed myself shortly around that time. Was'nt doing well in school, went through a bad break up, parents were getting divorced, was just stuck in life. Started training, working out on the reg, practicing breathing and meditation. Things that used to bother me don't. shyt I used to stress about...eh...sometimes I still stress but sometimes you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. There is a one legged deaf blind man somewhere in the world wishing he wasn't blind....just wishing he could SEE just ONCE.

It doesn't have to be martial arts, because that's not for everyone. It could be learning a musical instrument and trying to get better at that. Find something that you can enjoy.

Something that will make you a better person.

And remember, make you a better person does not mean make you better than the next man. It means make YOU a better YOU. That's why I emphasized that taking up a martial art might not be the thing for you because it's not for everyone.

Also try to live life IN the moment...not FOR the moment. Living in the moment means putting your focus on whatever you're doing at the moment so that you can do it to the best of your abilities at that moment. Living for the moment is stupid shyt that young people or people who lack character do. Living from one moment to the next will leave you empty and eventually looking for something...anything so that you feel like you're alive or conscious.
 
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I started martial arts training in 2006...without it I probably would have killed myself shortly around that time. Was'nt doing well in school, went through a bad break up, parents were getting divorced, was just stuck in life. Started training, working out on the reg, practicing breathing and meditation. Things that used to bother me don't. shyt I used to stress about...eh...sometimes I still stress but sometimes you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. There is a one legged deaf blind man somewhere in the world wishing he wasn't blind....just wishing he could SEE just ONCE.

It doesn't have to be martial arts, because that's not for everyone. It could be learning a musical instrument and trying to get better at that. Find something that you can enjoy.

Something that will make you a better person.

And remember, make you a better person does not mean make you better than the next man. It means make YOU a better YOU. That's why I emphasized that taking up a martial art might not be the thing for you because it's not for everyone.

Also try to life IN the moment...for FOR the moment. Living in the moment means putting your focus on whatever you're doing at the moment so that you can do it to the best of your abilities at that moment. Living for the moment is stupid shyt that young people or people who lack character do. Living from one moment to the next will leave you empty and eventually looking for something...anything so that you feel like you're alive or conscious.

How did you get involved with martial arts? What was your mindset? Were your in the midst of depression and made a thought like "I have to do something" then joined martial arts? was it something that kind of found you, like you went with a friend? What seems strange but is completely possible is that you tried martial arts and it worked,why of anything in the world martial arts? did you try and not find interest or get the same results with other activities?
 

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How did you get involved with martial arts? What was your mindset? Were your in the midst of depression and made a thought like "I have to do something" then joined martial arts? was it something that kind of found you, like you went with a friend? What seems strange but is completely possible is that you tried martial arts and it worked,why of anything in the world martial arts? did you try and not find interest or get the same results with other activities?
I'll send you a PM...shyt way too long for a post IMO
 
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