Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[Black_Jesus]

That's an opinion. What manny actually did is FACT

Well here's a fact for you..

Floydie wouldn't even fight Pacquiao after he beat Pound 4 Pound Bradley this year and his ppv numbers were close to Floyd/Maidana 1... Said Pacquiao was desperate, and said Pa. still had Marquez problems.. Now Pac fights soneone with no name and no following and was barely promoted, all of a sudden now theyre trying to make offers and willing to negotiate only after Pac does poorly on ppv against a nobody.. A nobody that Floyd would do poorly on ppv as well if he fought him..

Another fact is Pacquiao/Floyd is the most anticipated fight of this era.. Meaning people want to PAY to see PACQUIAO and FLOYD in the ring together..

 

[Black_Jesus]

I dont believe it


The Undefeated White Champion vs the Undefeated Black Cocky Champion Boxer is a CLASSIC rivalry (just like PRs vs Mexicans) and would have definitely done more than 300k. Let's not kid ourselves here


Mike Tyson vs Peter McNeely did 1.55 million on PPV all the way back in 1995 because of it


Now, I know that McNeely wasnt undefeated and Tyson was back out of prison for his 1st fight, but even a washed up Tyson vs an already 4x defeated Kevin McBride did 250K. No way would Floyd Mayweather vs Chris Algieri had done 300K or slightly better in 2014 with all this white cops killing black people stuff going on....no way.

The two situations aren't even comparable.

Tyson was bigger than Floyd breh.. Find another example... You cant can you?

 

[Black_Jesus]

He actually wouldnt
and the only reason your saying that is because you know floyd would never fight a low caliber bum like zach ryder algeri at this point in his career
pacquaio could fight micky rourke his next fight and there wouldnt even be no hate from the casuals

If Rourke is a ranked champion, why would I hate??

Floyd wouldn't fight "Zach Ryder" because he has access to Haymons stable of more notable fighters in the division,.. Pac doesn't. ..

If Floyd fought Algieri, that shyt would not go pass 500k

 

[Newzz]

The two situations aren't even comparable.

Tyson was bigger than Floyd breh.. Find another example... You cant can you?

I just said Tyson (who washed up and 5-5 with 2 NC in his last 12 bouts) went up against Kevin McBride (who had 4 losses already) and STILL sold 250K on PPV......you wanna tell us that in 2014, an undefeated, arrogant, cocky Black Champion in Floyd Mayweather (who is also the biggest draw in sports HISTORY) vs an undefeated, "wholesome", White Champion in Chris Algieri would barely sell more than 300K with all the Black vs White problems going on today?


You aint being serious right now....or you really couldnt be black. Real talk. The Black vs White Dynamics in Boxing is the 2nd biggest rivalry (and biggest RACE fight that can be made) in Boxing today. You have to be kidding me right now

 

[Newzz]

And yeah there's more examples....#1 is Larry Holmes vs Gerry c00ney:

Holmes and c00ney were each guaranteed $10 million dollars. The fight would take place at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada, and be televised live on closed-circuit and pay-per-view television all over the world. A week after the bout, it would be re-broadcast on HBO, and later still, on ABC-TV. The fight was originally scheduled for March 15, 1982, but the bout was postponed after c00ney tore muscle fibers in his left shoulder. It was rescheduled for June 11.

Promoter Don King began one of the most massive promotional campaigns in boxing history to raise public interest for the fight. Holmes and c00ney attended press conferences in several U.S. cities, boxed exhibitions, and sat for numerous interviews. Also, since there had not been a white World Heavyweight Champion in twenty-two years, King put a lot of emphasis on race. “This is a white and black fight,” King said. “Anyway you look at it, you cannot change that. Gerry c00ney: Irish, white, Catholic.” c00ney’s managers, Mike Jones and Dennis Rappaport (known in the media as the Whacko Twins) fanned the flames, too. “I do not respect Larry Holmes as a human being,” Rappaport said. “I don’t think he’s carried the championship with dignity.” They pushed c00ney, with little subtlety, as white America’s champion. “He’s not the white man, he’s the right man,” Rappaport liked to say.

Holmes began receiving death threats in the run-up to the fight and his property was vandalized. Also, the Ku Klux Klan staged rallies in support of c00ney. On the night of the fight, snipers were put on rooftops overlooking the outdoor ring.

A record Las Vegas crowd of 29,284 attended the fight at the 32,000-seat outdoor arena at Caesars Palace and created a record live gate of $7,293,600

And that was back 32 years ago


Floyd vs Algieri would have DEFINITELY done more than 300K with everything that's going on with Ferguson/Eric Garner/Mike Brown/Tamir Rice/Trayvon Martin in the USA today between Black and White people. To say differently, you're either being very biased (which is possible), uninformed with what's going on in America in 2014, or not black


Undefeated White Champion vs Undefeated Black Cocky Champion is a HUGE sell in the world of boxing, being that boxing is about race/ethnicities right?

 

[krackdagawd]

Like I'm supposed to forget all the running you did against guys like Broner.

I think you might have to re watch that fight friend.

 

[Newzz]

I think you might have to re watch that fight friend.

I think he seen it just fine

 

[krackdagawd]

I think he seen it just fine

two bandcamp members think Paulie ran against him

One of them happens to be a fan of Algieri of all people

 

[Black_Jesus]

And yeah there's more examples....#1 is Larry Holmes vs Gerry c00ney:




And that was back 32 years ago


Floyd vs Algieri would have DEFINITELY done more than 300K with everything that's going on with Ferguson/Eric Garner/Mike Brown/Tamir Rice/Trayvon Martin in the USA today between Black and White people. To say differently, you're either being very biased (which is possible), uninformed with what's going on in America in 2014, or not black


Undefeated White Champion vs Undefeated Black Cocky Champion is a HUGE sell in the world of boxing, being that boxing is about race/ethnicities right?

First off.. Ferguson is about Police brutality and their abuse of power.. Its not about race cut and dry... Trayvon Martin isn't even related to any white/black tension beacause Zimmerman aint even a cac.. Algieri/Mayweather fight wouldn't even be promoted in the way you're describing breh.Algieri is not a tough guy or a shyt talker...

Okay now onto your post..
now here's an example I can take seriously, because comparing Floyd/Algieri to Mike "Fresh Out of Jail" Tyson/McNeely or Iron Mike "Somebody getting KTFO Every Fight" Tyson/McBride is just plain foolish... Like bringing up Tyson/McBride doing 200k proves some point Nobody gives a fukk about Floyds zero except Floyd.. Nobody gives a fukk about losses on a resume.. If they fukk with you they're gonna support you no matter how washed up you are... look at Roy.. All Tysons fights end in KO and thats what people want to see.. Not Floyd and Algieri running around the ring playing pittypat.. miss me with the "you cant be black" crap PLEASE..


c00ney had just empressively 1st round TKOd the late great Ken Norton and retired him and also their hadn't been any white HW champions in over 20 years so DonKing really playing off that. This was the HW division in the 80s.. A lot of prestige and interest comes with that division...

It would be difficult to generate interest for a Floyd/Algieri fight especially when you have so many higher ranked fighters in your current division.. plus theirs Pacquiao, you're still ducking, plus Algieri poses no KO threat, and niether does Floyd.. that fight would no more than 500k and thats being generous

 

[Newzz]

First off.. Ferguson is about Police brutality and their abuse of power.. Its not about race cut and dry... Trayvon Martin isn't even related to any white/black tension beacause Zimmerman aint even a cac.. Algieri/Mayweather fight wouldn't even be promoted in the way you're describing breh.Algieri is not a tough guy or a shyt talker...

Okay now onto your post..
now here's an example I can take seriously, because comparing Floyd/Algieri to Mike "Fresh Out of Jail" Tyson/McNeely or Iron Mike "Somebody getting KTFO Every Fight" Tyson/McBride is just plain foolish... Like bringing up Tyson/McBride doing 200k proves some point Nobody gives a fukk about Floyds zero except Floyd.. Nobody gives a fukk about losses on a resume.. If they fukk with you they're gonna support you no matter how washed up you are... look at Roy.. All Tysons fights end in KO and thats what people want to see.. Not Floyd and Algieri running around the ring playing pittypat.. miss me with the "you cant be black" crap PLEASE..


c00ney had just empressively 1st round TKOd the late great Ken Norton and retired him and also their hadn't been any white HW champions in over 20 years so DonKing really playing off that. This was the HW division in the 80s.. A lot of prestige and interest comes with that division...

It would be difficult to generate interest for a Floyd/Algieri fight especially when you have so many higher ranked fighters in your current division.. plus theirs Pacquiao, you're still ducking, plus Algieri poses no KO threat, and niether does Floyd.. that fight would no more than 500k and thats being generous

Agree to disagree.

 

[krackdagawd]

And yeah there's more examples....#1 is Larry Holmes vs Gerry c00ney:

Gerry c00ny recently opened up a boxing gym like 30 mins away from me, I've been meaning to go check it out when I get the time.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I just said Tyson (who washed up and 5-5 with 2 NC in his last 12 bouts) went up against Kevin McBride (who had 4 losses already) and STILL sold 250K on PPV......you wanna tell us that in 2014, an undefeated, arrogant, cocky Black Champion in Floyd Mayweather (who is also the biggest draw in sports HISTORY) vs an undefeated, "wholesome", White Champion in Chris Algieri would barely sell more than 300K with all the Black vs White problems going on today?


You aint being serious right now....or you really couldnt be black. Real talk. The Black vs White Dynamics in Boxing is the 2nd biggest rivalry (and biggest RACE fight that can be made) in Boxing today. You have to be kidding me right now

If that white fighter was a feather fisted, new on the scene, no track record having, recent ESPN appearing Algieri type then the PPV would be lucky to get 300k regardless of any racial issues going on in the country.
Now if the white guy was a KO artist who was known for slugging it out then you would get every white household in the country to buy that PPV as they all prayed to White Jesus for their melanin deficient brethren to knock Floyd the fukk out.

 

[Jello Biafra]

And yeah there's more examples....#1 is Larry Holmes vs Gerry c00ney:




And that was back 32 years ago


Floyd vs Algieri would have DEFINITELY done more than 300K with everything that's going on with Ferguson/Eric Garner/Mike Brown/Tamir Rice/Trayvon Martin in the USA today between Black and White people. To say differently, you're either being very biased (which is possible), uninformed with what's going on in America in 2014, or not black


Undefeated White Champion vs Undefeated Black Cocky Champion is a HUGE sell in the world of boxing, being that boxing is about race/ethnicities right?

Gerry c00ney was 25-0 with 19 KOs and had KO wins over Ron Lyle and Ken Norton...his hype was built up over a career that established him as a heavy hitter.
You can't compare that to the instant 2 fight bullshyt that Arum used to try and make Algieri a star especially not when Algieri can't bust a grape.
Floyd/Algieri wouldn't sell shyt.

 

[Newzz]

Gerry c00ney was 25-0 with 19 KOs and had KO wins over Ron Lyle and Ken Norton...his hype was built up over a career that established him as a heavy hitter.
You can't compare that to the instant 2 fight bullshyt that Arum used to try and make Algieri a star especially not when Algieri can't bust a grape.
Floyd/Algieri wouldn't sell shyt.

Agree to disagree.

I REALLY disagree with yall, bUT neither side cab prove who's right because it's hypothetical at this time

 

[Jello Biafra]

Agree to disagree.

I REALLY disagree with yall, bUT neither side cab prove who's right because it's hypothetical at this time

You can agree to disagree but one incontrovertible fact is that Floyd's biggest selling point is the people who hate him and buy his fights to see him lose. You can't sell that possibility of a loss with an Algieri. Plus white people have never gotten solidly behind a non-action, soft hitting technical fighter.
That is why Paulie Malignaggi is such a bitter unfulfilled c*nt.