Eminem is over-hated.

[Manic]

Hear me out before you troll/hate on this topic. I'm gonna drop some knowledge on y'all.

Y'all need to stop over-hating Em. It's funny because some people call him 'overrated' yet many are now over-hating him. He's not that bad. He's got 3 classics (MMLP, SSLP, TES) & two great albums, one that's basically a cult classic now (Relapse) and MMLP2 which is mostly dope. [And Infinite of course has some amazing flows & various topics, and it's a pretty good album.] Really only 2-3 out of 8 are considered "bad" by some people (Mostly hip hop heads nowadays) and really, even that's mostly bullshyt.

Encore isn't that bad, it has a great beginning and a great ending. It's just like 4 songs in the middle that are a little funny/crazy that some people don't like so they write off the full album. Even Danny Brown said that's its a great album that you have to really appreciate for what it is. Em was high on pills at the time when he made it and he STILL gave us classics on there like Mockingbird, Like Toy Soldiers, Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Mosh, Crazy In Love and Encore. All amazing tracks. It's a pretty solid album. It got good reviews when it came out too. Very over-hated. Has classic Em flows and beats on there with some amazing lyrics on most songs. Solid 7/10 album.

With Relapse, many didn't like at first, although some did. It was very mixed. Nowadays the general consensus is that it's dope as fukk and he's got some of his best flow in his career on here and the beats are GODLY. It's a brilliant concept album with very creative songs on it. Very few weak ones too. Many hip hop heads and fans love it now. Only negative is the accent, which isn't even that bad. I think it grows on you and works well for most tracks. Very underrated album. 8.5/10 (4th best in his career IMO) Best songs are: Insane, Hello, Same Song & Dance, 3 AM, Stay Wide Awake (10/10), Old Times Sake, Must Be The Ganja, Deja Vu (10/10), Beautiful, Underground (and Be Careful What You Wish For and My Darling are great deluxe tracks, both being 10/10 as well.)

Then with Recovery, many loved it when it came out but now a lot of people are mixed with many fans loving it and a lot of hip hop heads hating it because they hate the "corniness" of it and the production (Because for the first time he experimented with new producers and went out of his comfort zone and got more personal because critics were mixed on Relapse even though now in hindsight most like it & fans love it) With this album, I will admit it's probably the weakest one in his discography. But even Em's weakest is better than a lot of rappers whole careers. There's still some classic/great songs on there with amazing emotional delivery, great flow and personal lyrics. And not all the production is that bad. Just like the screaming, it's slightly different but I think it works at times quite well. Stop sleeping on this one though, it's not that bad. Solid 5.5/10 album (Not even close to a 2, fukk pitchfork. Those hipsters love to over-hate on Em because it's edgy and cool to do so now) Listen to these tracks and tell me there bad please. Cold Wind Blows, Talkin 2 Myself, On Fire, Going Through Changes, No Love, Space Bound and So Bad. All great tracks.

Then finally, we have MMLP2. This album was received generally very positively by the majority of critics and fans. Some fans/hip hop heads were mixed because they disliked a few songs/beats or they weren't a big fan of his choppy flow which was on a few tracks (Even though it generally sounded interesting/fine) But the ones who dislike this album are the minority. The true fans recognize that this album was damn good for the most part. Has a few weak tracks (Stronger Than I Was, Survival & The Monster) But the majority of tracks are very dope/well crafted. Has a lot of interesting and unique beats as well. Very great album. 7.5/10
Best tracks on here are: Bad Guy, Rhyme Or Reason, So Much Better, Legacy, Rap God, Brainless, Love Game, Headlights & Evil Twin (Bonus tracks Baby & Groundhog day + Don't Front are great too)

So yeah. The point of this topic is to discuss how you feel about the amount of hate Em is getting nowadays and if you agree with it or if you agree with my point. The point is, Em's last 4 albums have been generally dope. Recovery & Encore had some weak points but they weren't THAT bad and I'm sick of bandwagoners saying that they are the worst thing ever. Eminem is still a legend regardless anyway. He's got 3 classics + 1 cult classic and his fans won't be leaving him anytime soon. Plus, the guy is 42... give him a break. Not many other legends are still doing great things that he is doing. And don't start up about Shady XV... That was a compilation album, not a solo album. You can't count it. It's the same as the re-up. And it even has a few solid tracks. So yeah. Stop mindlessly hating, kids.

 

[Hyperion]

I can already see the Neg Shower that's gonna come from this...





But, I'll bite. Look. People hate on Eminem because when you come out with material that was considered to be at such a tier, people will naturally hold you to those standards. Back in his prime, rappers were scared of him. And he was everywhere. Once Encore hit, people were going because just two years prior, he had released The Eminem Show and the 8 Mile Soundtrack with Lose Yourself.


Now, when Relapse came out, people weren't fukking with it due to the accents. Even though Dre laced that album with something serious, because Relapse sonically plays out like a movie. And because everyone panned that album to hell, he got shook. So he went the commercial route with Recovery.

A lot of the criticism that Eminem catches now is more or less is his flows, his beat selection, and the fact that he lacks the anger he had back then. But that can also be contributed to seeing a hungry Eminem when he had something to really prove. And that's just age, that's what happens to everyone. And I've always believed that for MMLP2, he should've went and got Dre and did what they did for Relapse, but keep the concept. Because you're guaranteed to get that Eminem sound when he links up with Dre, and lyrically Em is still a strong technical lyricist. And it's also possible that Em needs a fresh young rapper to inspire him again, and be the Dr. Dre for that upcoming rapper, just like Dre was for him.

But the point is, people generally feel he's capable of doing much better but isn't living up to those expectations. And that's why he catches hate.

 

[Manic]

I can already see the Neg Shower that's gonna come from this...





But, I'll bite. Look. People hate on Eminem because when you come out with material that was considered to be at such a tier, people will naturally hold you to those standards. Back in his prime, rappers were scared of him. And he was everywhere. Once Encore hit, people were going because just two years prior, he had released The Eminem Show and the 8 Mile Soundtrack with Lose Yourself.


Now, when Relapse came out, people weren't fukking with it due to the accents. Even though Dre laced that album with something serious, because Relapse sonically plays out like a movie. And because everyone panned that album to hell, he got shook. So he went the commercial route with Recovery.

A lot of the criticism that Eminem catches now is more or less is his flows, his beat selection, and the fact that he lacks the anger he had back then. But that can also be contributed to seeing a hungry Eminem when he had something to really prove. And that's just age, that's what happens to everyone. And I've always believed that for MMLP2, he should've went and got Dre and did what they did for Relapse, but keep the concept. Because you're guaranteed to get that Eminem sound when he links up with Dre, and lyrically Em is still a strong technical lyricist. And it's also possible that Em needs a fresh young rapper to inspire him again, and be the Dr. Dre for that upcoming rapper, just like Dre was for him.

But the point is, people generally feel he's capable of doing much better but isn't living up to those expectations. And that's why he catches hate.

I feel you on some of your points.

I do think it would be smart for him to hook back up with Dre for his next album. It would be a great way to go out.

And I do think sure some of the beats off MMLP2 were meh but I think many were pretty good for the most part. Recovery did go a more commercial route, but I think people still over-hate it too much and call it 'trash' when it isn't that bad really... It's overhated. People are calling Em talentless now which is dumb. Sure, he's not as good as he once was when he was in his prime... but who still is? Nobody. Every other amazing/legendary rapper fell off too. (Lil Wayne, Kanye, Nas, Jay etc.) and it's normal. People can't expect the same thing forever. The guy is getting older. I think people underrate his new stuff and compare it to his old stuff too much. I know this happens when people release classics, but come on. His new stuff isn't THAT bad and many critics loved MMLP2... and for good reason. Bad Guy alone is a classic. People need to read into his lyrics more IMO. It's stronger than they think. But I do hope his next project is dope. I have a feeling it will be even better than MMLP2 (which was pretty good in my opinion)

 

[Hyperion]

I feel you on some of your points.

I do think it would be smart for him to hook back up with Dre for his next album. It would be a great way to go out.

And I do think sure some of the beats off MMLP2 were meh but I think many were pretty good for the most part. Recovery did go a more commercial route, but I think people still over-hate it too much and call it 'trash' when it isn't that bad really... It's overhated. People are calling Em talentless now which is dumb. Sure, he's not as good as he once was when he was in his prime... but who still is? Nobody. Every other amazing/legendary rapper fell off too. (Lil Wayne, Kanye, Nas, Jay etc.) and it's normal. People can't expect the same thing forever. The guy is getting older. I think people underrate his new stuff and compare it to his old stuff too much. I know this happens when people release classics, but come on. His new stuff isn't THAT bad and many critics loved MMLP2... and for good reason. Bad Guy alone is a classic. People need to read into his lyrics more IMO. It's stronger than they think. But I do hope his next project is dope. I have a feeling it will be even better than MMLP2 (which was pretty good in my opinion)

Again. When you reach a tier so high... That's what happens. People hate on Jay all the time on here, and don't even get me started on the Nas jokes. And Kanye catches slander anytime a thread is based on him. But that's what comes with the game. You're bound to get clowned on and get hated on now and again. Especially if your album is considered whack or ain't as hot as your prime material. That's how it goes.

But I think, Em is probably trying way too hard to prove that he can still rap, when that isn't the issue here. Everyone knows he can rap. Plus, he says he does this for fun, since nothing else in rap is making it fun for him. I think people just want to see him make great music and focus on that alone, instead of rapping faster and rhyming everywhere. Which is why people seem to flock to Relapse now, because it has that Eminem sound AND it wasn't super apparent he was performing Lyrical Exercise. So should he find a strong concept, hit up Dre, Alchemist, Bass Bros. and work off that, it should be a better turn out.

 

[87 others]

The Eminem hate is justified - he gets praised for releasing complete shyt and it's annoying to people who can actually be objective. It is what it is. I will say this, though - Eminem has classics. People on this board love to say that Eminem never released anything worthwhile (while ironically calling others "stans") and that's just plain bullshyt. Stan, Lose Yourself, The Way I Am, Rock Bottom, Kim (Yup, you read that right), and '97 Bonnie and Clyde are some of the most beautiful and creative songs in Hip-Hop history. It takes real talent to make shyt like that, and like it or not, Eminem will rightfully go down in history as one of the best to ever do it. The bullshyt he's on now, though? I can't get jiggy with that shyt. To me, Eminem died in 2003.

 

[Manic]

The Eminem hate is justified - he gets praised for releasing complete shyt and it's annoying to people who can actually be objective. It is what it is. I will say this, though - Eminem has classics. People on this board love to say that Eminem never released anything worthwhile (while ironically calling others "stans") and that's just plain bullshyt. Stan, Lose Yourself, The Way I Am, Rock Bottom, Kim (Yup, you read that right), and '97 Bonnie and Clyde are some of the most beautiful and creative songs in Hip-Hop history. It takes real talent to make shyt like that, and like it or not, Eminem will rightfully go down in history as one of the best to ever do it. The bullshyt he's on now, though? I can't get jiggy with that shyt. To me, Eminem died in 2003.

Shady XV = meh (but remember its not a solo album...)

But how you gonna call MMLP2 or Relapse or the highlights of Encore shyt?

 

[The Goodz]

hes hated because he is white, that is all

 

[Mac Casper]

didm't read . . just looked at the format, did you write this?

 

[87 others]

Shady XV = meh (but remember its not a solo album...)

But how you gonna call MMLP2 or Relapse or the highlights of Encore shyt?

Relapse is okay, Encore is below average, and MMLP2 is complete shyt. Honestly, his terrible flow and complete inability to stay on beat completely took me out of that album. I don't even care what he was trying to say because it was such a chore to listen to. Sonically, every song on that album bothered me. You say "Bad Guy" is a great song - I tend to disagree. I don't know about the lyrics or the theme of it, but the fact that his flow sounds like it belongs on a completely different beat kills it for me. Every single one of his new songs sounds off to me for this reason alone.

 

[Manic]

Relapse is okay, Encore is below average, and MMLP2 is complete shyt. Honestly, his terrible flow and complete inability to stay on beat completely took me out of that album. I don't even care what he was trying to say because it was such a chore to listen to. Sonically, every song on that album bothered me. You say "Bad Guy" is a great song - I tend to disagree. I don't know about the lyrics or the theme of it, but the fact that his flow sounds like it belongs on a completely different beat kills it for me. Every single one of his new songs sounds off to me for this reason alone.

Encore is still good though. Mockingbird, Yellowbrick Road, Never Enough >>>>> All classics.

And MMLP2 is crap??? Lol no. Open your ears, friend.

How is Bad Guy not good? Are you insane? Do you not realize it's a SEQUEL to STAN? It's a genius track. The first 3 verses are MEANT to sound bad since their from the perspective of Matthew Mitchell (Stan's little brother) and then the fourth verse is Eminem's conscience that tells him that his time is almost up and that he's a hypocrite and then he realizes it's all just himself the whole time and Matthew/Stan is symbolic.... Come on, stop sleeping bro. It's genius. 10/10 track

 

[Zero]

He's got 1 great album (not a classic, MMLP), 1 dope album (SSLP), 1 alright at best album (TES)

and the rest ranges from forgettable to godawful

Save your stannery and your paragraphs, I'm going to sleep

 

[87 others]

Encore is still good though. Mockingbird, Yellowbrick Road, Never Enough >>>>> All classics.

And MMLP2 is crap??? Lol no. Open your ears, friend.

How is Bad Guy not good? Are you insane? Do you not realize it's a SEQUEL to STAN? It's a genius track. The first 3 verses are MEANT to sound bad since their from the perspective of Matthew Mitchell (Stan's little brother) and then the fourth verse is Eminem's conscience that tells him that his time is almost up and that he's a hypocrite and then he realizes it's all just himself the whole time and Matthew/Stan is symbolic.... Come on, stop sleeping bro. It's genius. 10/10 track

You have your opinion and I have mine To me, that track is shyt and I've explained why I feel that way. I seriously doubt that it was "meant to sound bad", btw.

 

[Manic]

He's got 1 great album (not a classic, MMLP), 1 dope album (SSLP), 1 alright at best album (TES)

and the rest ranges from forgettable to godawful

Save your stannery and your paragraphs, I'm going to sleep

Holy ignorance, Batman! Are you ACTUALLY saying that TES and SSLP aren't classic? "TES alright at best" nikka, stop. You must be trolling, come on son.

 

[Krispy]

One of the wackest the lyrics he comes out with

 

[Manic]

"One of the wackest"

This is exactly what I'm referring to. Wow...