can we talk about how Koba is wrongly vilified

[marcuz]

Caesar basically wanted to help the humans out of pity, knowing damn well it would give them the upper hand over the apes. so why did they try to make Koba the villain for understanding the true nature of white peopl--er, i mean humans?

if you were in the apes shoes, would you help humans get a functioning dam going?

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Beware the beast man, for he is the devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his jungle lair: For he is the harbinger of death.
The Twenty-third Scroll, Ninth Verse, "Planet Of The Apes"

Apes figure it out eventually...

 

[nalej]

Caesar basically wanted to help the humans out of pity, knowing damn well it would give them the upper hand over the apes. so why did they try to make Koba the villain for understanding the true nature of white peopl--er, i mean humans?

if you were in the apes shoes, would you help humans get a functioning dam going?

Watched this the other day and thought the same thing. Who would want to risk to be caged up again? But Caesar and the movie was trying to say the best way is to make peace instead of do to others what you don't want done to you. Typical stance for movies to take.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

stop it. koba was a villain.

he wasn't looking out for the best interest of the apes, he was looking out for himself.

 

[marcuz]

stop it. koba was a villain.

he wasn't looking out for the best interest of the apes, he was looking out for himself.

thats retarded, he was looking out for the best interest of the collective. while caesar is trying to weaken the position of apes just to play kumbaya with white folks.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

thats retarded, he was looking out for the best interest of the collective. while caesar is trying to weaken the position of apes just to play kumbaya with white folks.

you mean by naming himself leader and killing all who opposed him? including his own kind?

 

[marcuz]

you mean by naming himself leader and killing all who opposed him? including his own kind?

YES.

i agree that trying to shoot caesar to incite war against humans was the wrong way to go about it, but they could never live in harmony. humans aren't going to willingly share territory with apes if they ever received the upper hand. caesar is just a shytty leader and a foresighted to the nature of humans, koba fully understood what they are capable of.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

YES.

i agree that trying to shoot caesar to incite war against humans was the wrong way to go about it, but they could never live in harmony. humans aren't going to willingly share territory with apes if they ever received the upper hand. caesar is just a shytty leader and a foresighted to the nature of humans, koba fully understood what they are capable of.

and then proved he was no different by murdering and imprisoning his own kind out of pure conquest.

 

[marcuz]

and then proved he was no different by murdering and imprisoning his own kind out of pure conquest.

those who weren't willing to fight for supremacy over humans deserved death, imo.

lets try this another way. if you were caesar, would you allow humans to fix the dam to further their own agenda?

because if you say yes, you aren't fit to lead and need to be removed from power.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

those who weren't willing to fight for supremacy over humans deserved death, imo.

lets try this another way. if you were caesar, would you allow humans to fix the dam to further their own agenda?

because if you say yes, you aren't fit to lead and need to be removed from power.

who do you think freed the apes in the first place.

all them would still be locked in cages if it weren't for caeser. koba would still be getting prodded with a stick.

dude is basically the hero and savior of their entire civilization.

if it weren't for koba shyt would have been just fine. he's the reason there was a war, not the humans.

 

[marcuz]

who do you think freed the apes in the first place.

all them would still be locked in cages if it weren't for caeser. koba would still be getting prodded with a stick.

dude is basically the hero and savior of their entire civilization.

if it weren't for koba shyt would have been just fine. he's the reason there was a war, not the humans.

the apes wouldn't need to be freed if the humans hadn't entrapped them and did experiments on them. so why cape for them now?

and how would it be just fine? caesars giving humans the upper hand by allowing them to fix the dam. you think cacs would go away peacefully after that? they'd rebuild their artillery and return to wipe out the apes eventually.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

the apes wouldn't need to be freed if the humans hadn't entrapped them and did experiments on them. so why cape for them now?

and how would it be just fine? caesars giving humans the upper hand by allowing them to fix the dam. you think cacs would go away peacefully after that? they'd rebuild their artillery and return to wipe out the apes eventually.

i have no idea. maybe, maybe not. i would like to think that there was a genuine emotional connection made between the humans and the apes.

and you keep associating the human race with "cacs" but conveniently forget that the evil, soulless businessman from the first movie who signed off on all that shyt in the first place was a black dude.

 

[Claudex]

YES.

i agree that trying to shoot caesar to incite war against humans was the wrong way to go about it, but they could never live in harmony. humans aren't going to willingly share territory with apes if they ever received the upper hand. caesar is just a shytty leader and a foresighted to the nature of humans, koba fully understood what they are capable of.

It ain't just that he shot caesar, it's also that backstabbers don't make good leaders. KOBA was angry for the wrong reasons, and reckless to boost. When you sacrifice your own without regard you make it easy for the enemy to divide and conquer. Thankfully that's a lesson that fukkboy Koba wasn't given time to learn.

Caesar wasn't no bytch, he was ready to go to war if provoked. To reach a compromise. And his followers knew that if they ever went to war it was because they were pushed into it, which solidifies morale. Caesar was trying to build his forces, Koba was eager to go live out a personal vendetta against all humans calling it Justice.

edit:
Also, just to add more to this: Caesar knew that a corner stone of building a better society rested on the idea that Apes become less savage than the humans who were evil enough to exploit things just for fun. Part of Caesar's strategy was to teach the Apes that force was only to be used for self-defense...and that indeed there are more important things than war and domination; such as family and a peaceful community.

 

[MidniteJay]

If Koba didn't kill any apes he would have been the good guy. He could have shown more finesse but breh was beyond fukked by torture.

Caesar won and while Koba could have been right about Caesar, Caesar was definitely right about Koba being in it for his rage.

Either way apes won.

Y'all catch the reference to a lost space shuttle from the first movie?

Part 3 or 4 gonna have some humans returning to an ape runned world.

 

[TheGodling]

This is by far the most forced Coli militant thread I've seen in a while.