Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

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believe in objective morality and live as though humans are of any value?

Honest question..Im taking a lil break from my Hov stannery, sorry brehs

But anyways how can an atheist do things like fight for human rights?

Or believe in objective morality as a whole?

Correct me if Im wrong but atheists believe that we arent created we are jus here...products of time, chance and matter.

If thats the case, doesnt that mean objectively we are beings of no value
And without value, morality cant exist.

So how is it Im seeing Atheist nikkaz tryna talk about human rights, being good, and sht when based on the claim of their beliefs...that sht doesnt exist

 

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[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

 

[blackslash]

Im asking a legit question brehs

 

[Suicide King]

I think religion actually numbs people's senses and morals. Why you think the Middle East is a war zone?

 

[blackslash]

I think religion actually numbs people's senses and morals. Why you think the Middle East is a war zone?

Breh can you answer my question..I didnt even bring up religion..answer the OP breh

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Your original post is fukking stupid. I have morality because I'm a human, not a sociopath.

 

[blackslash]

Your original post is fukking stupid. I have morality because I'm a human, not a sociopath.

You're not getting what Im saying

The question of evil and good revolves around value and worth. My question was... if our origin is "nothing" than objectively we have no value. So morality is a complete lie because to do wrong, you must have violate or offend a person of value. But we have no intrinsic value if we just evolved from time, matter, and chance.

So sorry..the "Im moral because Im human" doesnt answer the question.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

You're not getting what Im saying

The question of evil and good revolves around value and worth. My question was... if our origin is "nothing" than objectively we have no value. So morality is a complete lie because to do wrong, you must have violate or offend a person of value. But we have no intrinsic value if we just evolved from time, matter, and chance.

So sorry..the "Im moral because Im human" doesnt answer the question.

You're saying Atheists place no value on human life. That's dumb. Also, what do you mean our origin is "nothing"? How does God creating us give us any "intrinsic value"? We all have to live in this existence, humans are very valuable. I think its way more amazing and incredible that we evolved to this point and survived than a magic being creating us out of thin air.

 

[STAN JONES]

Your original post is fukking stupid. I have morality because I'm a human, not a sociopath.

Exactly

I don't have to believe in god,allah or whoever to be a nice/good person

Only weak minded people need religion to keep them in line

 

[Shaman]

You're not getting what Im saying

The question of evil and good revolves around value and worth. My question was... if our origin is "nothing" than objectively we have no value. So morality is a complete lie because to do wrong, you must have violate or offend a person of value. But we have no intrinsic value if we just evolved from time, matter, and chance.

So sorry..the "Im moral because Im human" doesnt answer the question.

The problem with your question is that this is not an objective statement

 

[blackslash]

You're saying Atheists place no value on human life. That's dumb. Also, what do you mean our origin is "nothing"? How does God creating us give us any "intrinsic value"? We all have to live in this existence, humans are very valuable. I think its way more amazing and incredible that we evolved to this point and survived than a magic being creating us out of thin air.

Imagine a place with no human beings and a place where there is only a painting of the mona lisa next to a rock

Which one is more valuable? Answer..theres no answer..because humans dnt exist in that scenario..in other words..a transcendent being doesnt exist to determine which one is more valuable.

Now..you assume to be a good/moral person but hats something I never really understood. If you're saying theres such a thing as evil arent you assuming there's such a thing as good? When you say there's such a thing as good arent you assuming that there is a moral law to differentiate between good and evil? But then dont you assume a moral law giver?

Because when a person makes a question of evil it is by and about a person. Which means the concept of person hood is inextricably bound to the moral impetus of the question. And you cant have the moral impetus in the question unless you have essential worth to person hood. And the only way to have essential worth to person hood is if there is a transcendent, moral, valuable, intrinsically worthy first cause by virtue of which we have that intrinsic worth. Not because its been given by state, culture or any other power. So if intrinsic worth is indispensable for the validity of the question the only way to justify intrinsic worth is if we're created by a being of worth and therefore the the question of evil is only valid if worth is intrinsic. And worth is not intrinsic if we randomly evolved from time +matter + chance.

 

[The Real]

Because when a person makes a question of evil it is by and about a person. Which means the concept of person hood is inextricably bound to the moral impetus of the question. And you cant have the moral impetus in the question unless you have essential worth to person hood. And the only way to have essential worth to person hood is if there is a transcendent, moral, valuable, intrinsically worthy first cause by virtue of which we have that intrinsic worth. Not because its been given by state, culture or any other power. So if intrinsic worth is indispensable for the validity of the question the only way to justify intrinsic worth is if we're created by a being of worth and therefore the the question of evil is only valid if worth is intrinsic. And worth is not intrinsic if we randomly evolved from time +matter + chance.

Ok. What's your point? You think non-religious people don't already know this?

 

[woodblock]

If you need to believe in a transcendent being to understand that humans have worth, I'm glad I don't live in your head.

 

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If you need to believe in a transcendent being to understand that humans have worth, I'm glad I don't live in your head.

Im not saying that..Im saying how can you claim to believe one thing but then live and believe things about people contrary to the worldview you claim to have