Are We Willing To Admit That Backpack/Conscious/Alternative Rappers Are Graded On A Curve?

[Wacky D]

and that the only people grading their music are usually their fans?

meanwhile the general public just says "that's that backpack stuff" and doesn't criticize them, and only pay attention to these acts when they have a hot track out.

LETS BE REALITY
a so-called classic by these rappers, 9 times out of 10, is really a 4-mic joint at best.
a so-called 4.5 is really a 3.5
a so-called 4 is a 3.

theyre not graded on the same scale. dudes be having wack hooks, meh flows, weak deliveries, boring tracks, half-ass beats, etc etc

imagine if a prime jay-z made an album like "black on both sides", all "content" aside. he'd be ridiculed.

 

[Wacky D]

the coli avoiding this thread like the plague.

 

[noumena]

Black on both sides was great front to back idk what you're talking about breh

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Black on both sides was great front to back idk what you're talking about breh

This nikka must be legit retarded. Black on Both Sides is a classic. This nikka always got a trash ass hot take. I disagree with almost everything this dude says. I be looking at his threads like

 

[Lord Mecca]

nah man I disagree for the most part... and Black On Both Sides was a bad example... lets be reality - Jay-Z wouldn't make an album like that, especially after Reasonable Doubt. Anyways I disagree because it's usually people who like the artist who is grading it. If you don't like the artist to begin with, chances are you won't grade it high even if it's good. So with Black On Both Sides being an example, hell yeah I believe it's classic. But if you don't like Mos Def vibe you're not gonna fukk with it.

Same thing goes for a "mainstream" rapper. You can't tell these people anything about for example Get Rich or Die Trying. I don't give a shyt about that album as a whole. They'll say it's 5 mics. It's graded on a curve from that perspective too. If your point is that people overrate the music they personally like.. obviously... but you can't expect a 50 fan to like a Mos Def album. People have preferences.

 

[Kasgoinjail]

I don't know but T'nah Apex is so dope

 

[Bugsmoran]

Wacky D ur cool but you're tripping with this one

Illmatic was considered backpack and that's as good as it gets

 

[Kenny West]

It's the other way around

If you rap about drugs and pose with guns in your music you can do the following and not be considered a wack:

- Have no identifying content in your music. You can make songs about nothing your entire career if you pose with guns in the video. Meanwhile a conscious rapper needs "the hit song" "the uplifting song" "the storytelling track" "the song for the ladies" etc.
- Copying styles from other rappers
- Get no critical acclaim
- Have 0 social consciousness
- You can be a proud uncle tom and nikkas won't dare think less of your for it

- Lying on your past
- You don't have to enunciate (mumble rap)
- Your fans don't have to understand what the hell you're saying
- Don't have to even rhyme your lyrics (Future)
- Never battle on wax only subliminal or twitter.
- Go an entire career with no quoteables (future and his rap children)
- Have no versatility

 

[Henri Christophe]

Goes both ways.... like the poster above said.... the mumble shyt is overrated too.... but youre right.... nikkas be dropping average records with great lyricism and nikkas stamp it a classic even tho it has no replay value.... but music is subjective... there is no correct answer

 

[Stone]

If anything I'd say we expect more from those rappers than anybody else

 

[Cadillac]

Agree with the topic, but nah with OP.

But on the subject i feel like this post shares my same opinion.

Goes both ways.... like the poster above said.... the mumble shyt is overrated too.... but youre right.... nikkas be dropping average records with great lyricism and nikkas stamp it a classic even tho it has no replay value....

 

[Ineedmoney504]

and that the only people grading their music are usually their fans?

meanwhile the general public just says "that's that backpack stuff" and doesn't criticize them, and only pay attention to these acts when they have a hot track out.

LETS BE REALITY
a so-called classic by these rappers, 9 times out of 10, is really a 4-mic joint at best.
a so-called 4.5 is really a 3.5
a so-called 4 is a 3.

theyre not graded on the same scale. dudes be having wack hooks, meh flows, weak deliveries, boring tracks, half-ass beats, etc etc

imagine if a prime jay-z made an album like "black on both sides", all "content" aside. he'd be ridiculed.

facts black on both sides outside a couple tracks is wack as shyt. From the beats and flows to the hooks. Talib is trash as a rapper wit no flow

It's the other way around

If you rap about drugs and pose with guns in your music you can do the following and not be considered a wack:

- Have no identifying content in your music. You can make songs about nothing your entire career if you pose with guns in the video. Meanwhile a conscious rapper needs "the hit song" "the uplifting song" "the storytelling track" "the song for the ladies" etc.
- Copying styles from other rappers
- Get no critical acclaim
- Have 0 social consciousness
- You can be a proud uncle tom and nikkas won't dare think less of your for it

- Lying on your past
- You don't have to enunciate (mumble rap)
- Your fans don't have to understand what the hell you're saying
- Don't have to even rhyme your lyrics (Future)
- Never battle on wax only subliminal or twitter.
- Go an entire career with no quoteables (future and his rap children)
- Have no versatility

what does this have to do wit skills, most these backpack artist beats, flow, lyrics are trash and they get praised for rapper about smart dumb nikka shyt

 

[Wacky D]

Wacky D ur cool but you're tripping with this one

Illmatic was considered backpack and that's as good as it gets

that album came out on the heels of black moon.

backpackers back then were mostly in the streets.

that's not what this thread is about.

 

[Wacky D]

facts black on both sides outside a couple tracks is wack as shyt. From the beats and flows to the hooks. Talib is trash as a rapper wit no flow

what does this have to do wit skills, most these backpack artist beats, flow, lyrics are trash and they get praised for rapper about smart dumb nikka shyt

I think the thing is, most of the people that are big on these dudes, don't care about the full product. they just want lyrics and the feel of being a smark expert.

 

[Wacky D]

This nikka must be legit retarded. Black on Both Sides is a classic. This nikka always got a trash ass hot take. I disagree with almost everything this dude says. I be looking at his threads like

why are you so offended?

mustve hit a nerve and forced you to look into the mirror and tap into a deeper insecurity you have as a rap fan.