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All Roads Lead to Rome, page 1
One of the most popular subjects and matters, the New World Order Conspiracies. Some people are convinced that behind the scenes lays a powerful shadow government and organization dedicated to the proposition of a One World Government that drives and manipulates political events towards it. While others believe that this is all a myth and fabrication to play upon and manipulate our fears of such a world for other nefarious reasons. While some, believe neither, that we live in a world of random events, unrelated, and unconnected, that is naturally evolving in reactionary ways.
Now whether you are a hardened skeptic, patriot, or proponent of One World Government, or a pacifist, environmentalist or statist or nationalist, I think we can all agree with a couple of things.
One is that our planet is engaged in nonstop warfare and violence, and has been for thousands of years, and two, that many people around the globe are starving and destitute despite an abundance of resources and technology that makes that unnecessary.
In fact most of us, if not all of us, accept this violence, and deprivation as a part of life and the world, that we can really do nothing about.
So a very interesting question becomes why, do we believe that this violence and deprivation is something we accept and can do nothing about.
To find out the answers, we must travel back, on the roads that brought us here, and as we travel back, we shall discover how All Roads Lead to Rome!
In the Beginning
----Legend tells us that a great flood had swept the land. Different cultures and different religions tell of this great flood, from the Bible and Noahs Ark, to the Babylonians and their Creation Stories, to the Maya and their hieroglyphs.
While we might never know what caused this flood, it is likely safe to assume this flood occurred, whether it was the poles reversing themselves because of a completion of the Galaxys orbit, as many believe will occur again on 2012, or and Ice Age melting and flooding the lands, or a displeased God unhappy with the people and their ways are all speculations. None of us were there, none of us can really know for sure, because none of us were there, but its likely based on so much archeological and scripture reference that at some point several thousand years ago humanity suffered this apocalypse and had to start all over again.
Where did it start, it started in Troy.
Located near modern day Constantinople, the city the Roman Emperor Constantine founded to herald in the new age of Christianity, Troy lay very near, the reputed resting place of Noahs Ark, Mt. Ararat in Turkey.
Its founders likely were survivors of the great flood, and knew of the wonders of the World before the flood. Legends of Atlantis, a mythical, ancient and advanced civilization spring to mind. Legends later told of by the Greeks, who would come to play a central role, in how events of the new civilizations would unfold.
To understand more, we must understand more about three important city-states, Troy, Athens and Sparta.
The Trinity, a Tale of Three Cities
As the temperate and fertile Eastern Mediterranean lands developed into civilization, three cities, and three different philosophies would collide and converge in an epic struggle for predominance and dominance.
The Trojan Wars of Homers Iliad one of humankinds oldest written stories was born of this struggle.
Troy represented the Gods, the bloodlines of the pre-flood world, the technologies and spirituality saved from those days. The belief that divine universal forces, that could be called upon and evoked through prayers and offerings, with distinct personalities and powers, could aide and benefit humankind directly, if they were respected and appeased and obeyed.
Athens would come to represent the Wisdom of Man, the great Philosophies and Philosophers, who would ponder the meaning of life and the universe in humanistic and not spiritualistic forms. While they paid homage to the same Gods the Trojans did, they were searching for something more, and different, internally in human terms, to understand the mind, and heart and soul in human ways, and to develop a form and system of conduct based upon them. One of these was a concept we are all familiar, Democracy, that believe that every free man and woman should have a voice, in how we live and live with one another and are governed.
Sparta would come to represent courage and warfare, humans desire to dominate others through force, power, violence and cunning, and strength of arms. They too would pay homage to the Gods of Troy which they shared with Athens, and they too like the Athenians were looking to carve their place in the world. To master it and become the Masters of it, through their own decided approaches.
Inevitably these three would clash.
But let us look a moment at how that struggle between these three city-states, mirrors our own internal struggles.
Many would argue inside us exist three different entities, two that we are quite familiar with, Freud would call these the Id and the Ego, and the Chinese philosophers the Ying and the Yang.
They represent the conscious hemispheres of the human mind. The left side of the brain, the right side of the brain, each an almost exact duplicate of the other, divided down the middle and joined together.
The Left Side of the Brain = Sparta
It is full of desires, impetuousness, and courage and cunning; it tempts us constantly with pleasures and vanities, and encourages us to pursue them, by any and all means.
The Right Side of the Brain = Athens
It is contemplative, and considered, cautions and intro and retrospective, it observes and weighs, and quantifies and qualifies, it battles the Left Brains impulses, trying to apply its own yardstick to when it is safe and wise and right to pursue or not pursue the things the Left Brain desires.
The Higher Subconscious Self = God, Universal Knowledge and Power = Troy
Id, ego and super-ego - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yin and yang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No matter what religion you are or arent, whether you are even atheist, or agnostic, we all have questions, why we are here, who we are, the real purpose of our existence, and a inherent suspicion that in the grand scheme of things that there is more to our lives in our sentient and corporal, temporal states than meets the eye. Our Higher Subconscious Self is neither as concerned nor preoccupied with the physical things and esthetics that our Left Brain and Right Brain are, it thinks in higher spiritual terms, in universal terms, in terms of what is beyond the veil of this life, and our brief time here. Troy was dedicated to these propositions understanding the Universe through the Gods and their powers and the path to the higher self.
They saw themselves above the Athenians and the Spartans, for this reason, while the Spartans and Athenians each believed that there way was the correct way.
The Spartans would ask, what do you want, and then go out and get it, by taking it.
The Athenians would ask, who are you, and as they defined it, try to create it.
The Trojans would ask, what am I, and look to the heavens and the earth and the Gods to decipher it.
Eventually Sparta and Athens would ally themselves to battle the Trojans. A battle that history tells us they won after many years and much blood shed.
But did they win.
Now we must begin to look at phonetics, to sounds, and the powerful vibrations that they create when uttered and thought, to begin understanding more.
Rome = Roam
Legend tells us as Troy fell, through trickery and deception of the Trojan horse, one of its greatest heroes and princes so beloved by the Gods with their aid escaped the doomed city.
Aeneas
Aeneas would make his way from Troy via Carthage, to Italy where his descendents Romulus and Remus would found on seven fabled hills along the Tiber a city named Rome.
Rome though would be like no other city or nation before it. It would not be dependent upon just one philosophy or one way, instead, it would learn to incorporate the best of them all, into an ever evolving system, meant to constantly and progressively be superior to all that stood before it and all that opposed it.
The Gods of Troy would have their place, the Wisdom and Democracy of Athens would fit right in to, and so would the insatiable desire for conquest and more, and the courage of Sparta.
Rome would become the first multicultural state. As it expanded rapidly it did so with an inviting and almost irrepressible entreaty.
Rome offers you War or Peace; it matters not to Rome which you decide
The Romans would in fact travel far and wide, allowing the neighboring kings, kingdoms and peoples to join it willingly, and to then incorporate the best of those new ideas, and sciences, into their own, along with their Gods and religious beliefs, or if they failed to join willingly, Roman would conquer them by force of arms and do the same.
The more Rome expanded, the more it incorporated, the more diverse it became, the more unstoppable it became.
As its stature and legends and power grew, so too did its enemies in their determination to not be swallowed by it.
A Second Tale of Three Cities, the Evolution of the Trinity of City-States
While Greece, Sparta, Egypt and others would fall relatively easy under Roman hegemony two other City States would pose problems for Rome in at times exasperating and costly ways.
Carthage
Carthage and Rome were on a collision course practically from the beginning. When Aeneas fled Troy he took refuge at first in Carthage, where its princess and then queen would fall in love with him, and beg him to marry her. Aeneas though rescued by the Gods from death at Troy had a destiny to Roam and to Rome and would reject her, leaving her a spurned woman who would burn herself alive on the pyre she had built to burn all her gifts to him left behind when he set off for Italy.
The enmity between the Carthaginians and the Romans was a particularly bitter one, made all the more bitter as Rome having taken over all of the Italian boot, and Greece and portions of Egypt and Africa became a true sea power.
The Carthaginians were first and foremost merchants, masters of the seas, and the trade routes, and the competition Rome was now providing as it sought to emulate this new aspect of trade, international trade and profit through it, was galling and profit robbing for the Carthaginians.
Rome was learning a new trick, vying competitively for the same lucrative markets, and building a fleet and navy to rival Carthages.
Rome was determined to roam to wherever fortune might take it, to display the courage and cunning of the Spartans to dominate and conquest those that stood in its way, to use the wisdom of the Athenians in incorporating them productively into their system.
In this process Rome would establish one of many enduring things that still affect the world to this day in controlling ways.
All Roads Lead to Rome, page 1
One of the most popular subjects and matters, the New World Order Conspiracies. Some people are convinced that behind the scenes lays a powerful shadow government and organization dedicated to the proposition of a One World Government that drives and manipulates political events towards it. While others believe that this is all a myth and fabrication to play upon and manipulate our fears of such a world for other nefarious reasons. While some, believe neither, that we live in a world of random events, unrelated, and unconnected, that is naturally evolving in reactionary ways.
Now whether you are a hardened skeptic, patriot, or proponent of One World Government, or a pacifist, environmentalist or statist or nationalist, I think we can all agree with a couple of things.
One is that our planet is engaged in nonstop warfare and violence, and has been for thousands of years, and two, that many people around the globe are starving and destitute despite an abundance of resources and technology that makes that unnecessary.
In fact most of us, if not all of us, accept this violence, and deprivation as a part of life and the world, that we can really do nothing about.
So a very interesting question becomes why, do we believe that this violence and deprivation is something we accept and can do nothing about.
To find out the answers, we must travel back, on the roads that brought us here, and as we travel back, we shall discover how All Roads Lead to Rome!
In the Beginning
----Legend tells us that a great flood had swept the land. Different cultures and different religions tell of this great flood, from the Bible and Noahs Ark, to the Babylonians and their Creation Stories, to the Maya and their hieroglyphs.
While we might never know what caused this flood, it is likely safe to assume this flood occurred, whether it was the poles reversing themselves because of a completion of the Galaxys orbit, as many believe will occur again on 2012, or and Ice Age melting and flooding the lands, or a displeased God unhappy with the people and their ways are all speculations. None of us were there, none of us can really know for sure, because none of us were there, but its likely based on so much archeological and scripture reference that at some point several thousand years ago humanity suffered this apocalypse and had to start all over again.
Where did it start, it started in Troy.
Located near modern day Constantinople, the city the Roman Emperor Constantine founded to herald in the new age of Christianity, Troy lay very near, the reputed resting place of Noahs Ark, Mt. Ararat in Turkey.
Its founders likely were survivors of the great flood, and knew of the wonders of the World before the flood. Legends of Atlantis, a mythical, ancient and advanced civilization spring to mind. Legends later told of by the Greeks, who would come to play a central role, in how events of the new civilizations would unfold.
To understand more, we must understand more about three important city-states, Troy, Athens and Sparta.
The Trinity, a Tale of Three Cities
As the temperate and fertile Eastern Mediterranean lands developed into civilization, three cities, and three different philosophies would collide and converge in an epic struggle for predominance and dominance.
The Trojan Wars of Homers Iliad one of humankinds oldest written stories was born of this struggle.
Troy represented the Gods, the bloodlines of the pre-flood world, the technologies and spirituality saved from those days. The belief that divine universal forces, that could be called upon and evoked through prayers and offerings, with distinct personalities and powers, could aide and benefit humankind directly, if they were respected and appeased and obeyed.
Athens would come to represent the Wisdom of Man, the great Philosophies and Philosophers, who would ponder the meaning of life and the universe in humanistic and not spiritualistic forms. While they paid homage to the same Gods the Trojans did, they were searching for something more, and different, internally in human terms, to understand the mind, and heart and soul in human ways, and to develop a form and system of conduct based upon them. One of these was a concept we are all familiar, Democracy, that believe that every free man and woman should have a voice, in how we live and live with one another and are governed.
Sparta would come to represent courage and warfare, humans desire to dominate others through force, power, violence and cunning, and strength of arms. They too would pay homage to the Gods of Troy which they shared with Athens, and they too like the Athenians were looking to carve their place in the world. To master it and become the Masters of it, through their own decided approaches.
Inevitably these three would clash.
But let us look a moment at how that struggle between these three city-states, mirrors our own internal struggles.
Many would argue inside us exist three different entities, two that we are quite familiar with, Freud would call these the Id and the Ego, and the Chinese philosophers the Ying and the Yang.
They represent the conscious hemispheres of the human mind. The left side of the brain, the right side of the brain, each an almost exact duplicate of the other, divided down the middle and joined together.
The Left Side of the Brain = Sparta
It is full of desires, impetuousness, and courage and cunning; it tempts us constantly with pleasures and vanities, and encourages us to pursue them, by any and all means.
The Right Side of the Brain = Athens
It is contemplative, and considered, cautions and intro and retrospective, it observes and weighs, and quantifies and qualifies, it battles the Left Brains impulses, trying to apply its own yardstick to when it is safe and wise and right to pursue or not pursue the things the Left Brain desires.
The Higher Subconscious Self = God, Universal Knowledge and Power = Troy
Id, ego and super-ego - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yin and yang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No matter what religion you are or arent, whether you are even atheist, or agnostic, we all have questions, why we are here, who we are, the real purpose of our existence, and a inherent suspicion that in the grand scheme of things that there is more to our lives in our sentient and corporal, temporal states than meets the eye. Our Higher Subconscious Self is neither as concerned nor preoccupied with the physical things and esthetics that our Left Brain and Right Brain are, it thinks in higher spiritual terms, in universal terms, in terms of what is beyond the veil of this life, and our brief time here. Troy was dedicated to these propositions understanding the Universe through the Gods and their powers and the path to the higher self.
They saw themselves above the Athenians and the Spartans, for this reason, while the Spartans and Athenians each believed that there way was the correct way.
The Spartans would ask, what do you want, and then go out and get it, by taking it.
The Athenians would ask, who are you, and as they defined it, try to create it.
The Trojans would ask, what am I, and look to the heavens and the earth and the Gods to decipher it.
Eventually Sparta and Athens would ally themselves to battle the Trojans. A battle that history tells us they won after many years and much blood shed.
But did they win.
Now we must begin to look at phonetics, to sounds, and the powerful vibrations that they create when uttered and thought, to begin understanding more.
Rome = Roam
Legend tells us as Troy fell, through trickery and deception of the Trojan horse, one of its greatest heroes and princes so beloved by the Gods with their aid escaped the doomed city.
Aeneas
Aeneas would make his way from Troy via Carthage, to Italy where his descendents Romulus and Remus would found on seven fabled hills along the Tiber a city named Rome.
Rome though would be like no other city or nation before it. It would not be dependent upon just one philosophy or one way, instead, it would learn to incorporate the best of them all, into an ever evolving system, meant to constantly and progressively be superior to all that stood before it and all that opposed it.
The Gods of Troy would have their place, the Wisdom and Democracy of Athens would fit right in to, and so would the insatiable desire for conquest and more, and the courage of Sparta.
Rome would become the first multicultural state. As it expanded rapidly it did so with an inviting and almost irrepressible entreaty.
Rome offers you War or Peace; it matters not to Rome which you decide
The Romans would in fact travel far and wide, allowing the neighboring kings, kingdoms and peoples to join it willingly, and to then incorporate the best of those new ideas, and sciences, into their own, along with their Gods and religious beliefs, or if they failed to join willingly, Roman would conquer them by force of arms and do the same.
The more Rome expanded, the more it incorporated, the more diverse it became, the more unstoppable it became.
As its stature and legends and power grew, so too did its enemies in their determination to not be swallowed by it.
A Second Tale of Three Cities, the Evolution of the Trinity of City-States
While Greece, Sparta, Egypt and others would fall relatively easy under Roman hegemony two other City States would pose problems for Rome in at times exasperating and costly ways.
Carthage
Carthage and Rome were on a collision course practically from the beginning. When Aeneas fled Troy he took refuge at first in Carthage, where its princess and then queen would fall in love with him, and beg him to marry her. Aeneas though rescued by the Gods from death at Troy had a destiny to Roam and to Rome and would reject her, leaving her a spurned woman who would burn herself alive on the pyre she had built to burn all her gifts to him left behind when he set off for Italy.
The enmity between the Carthaginians and the Romans was a particularly bitter one, made all the more bitter as Rome having taken over all of the Italian boot, and Greece and portions of Egypt and Africa became a true sea power.
The Carthaginians were first and foremost merchants, masters of the seas, and the trade routes, and the competition Rome was now providing as it sought to emulate this new aspect of trade, international trade and profit through it, was galling and profit robbing for the Carthaginians.
Rome was learning a new trick, vying competitively for the same lucrative markets, and building a fleet and navy to rival Carthages.
Rome was determined to roam to wherever fortune might take it, to display the courage and cunning of the Spartans to dominate and conquest those that stood in its way, to use the wisdom of the Athenians in incorporating them productively into their system.
In this process Rome would establish one of many enduring things that still affect the world to this day in controlling ways.
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